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Post by jwilson625 » Mon Sep 17, 2018 8:14 am

I've just wrapped up a year of training with SSOC, so figured I should keep a log somewhere while I train on my own... Weights are in lb because 'Merica.

Age: 28
Height: 5'10"
Weight: 215
Athleticism: meh

Lifetime 1RMs (tested):
SQ: 360 (2/12/18)
BP: 267.5 (9/10/18)
DL: 420 (8/13/18)
PR: 155 (9/3/2018)
CH: 297 (7/2/2018), BW included

Current e1rms (Weekly avg. for all sets of <=5, >=@7):
SQ: 325
BP: 271
DL: 410
PR: 156
CH: 299

DL and PR e1RMs dropped off suddenly this past week; they were up at 432 and 165 the previous week..

Training History:
I trained off and on with various brosplits, SL5x5, Madcow, etc. for a few years in college, then stopped training altogether for about 6 years and of course detrained completely. In Dec. of 2016 I started again with SL5x5 before switching gears to run the SS Novice LP. I signed up with SSOC in Sep. 2017 while struggling through the tail end of novice LP, and got coaching/programming from Wolf up until last week. We essentially ran through 4 distinct phases of programming which I will summarize here:

LP: Started with the SS novice LP of course, with a small reset to clean up some technique things. ~4wks

Modified LP (MLP): When LP ran its course, we did some of the advanced novice type modifications e.g. 1x5+2x5 backoffs on squats, 2x3+2x5 backoffs on presses, added a 2x5 lighter deadlift day. ~8wks

Wolf Method (WM, 2 cycles): After officially exhausting LP in mid-December 2017 we moved to Wolf's early intermediate setup known as "Wolf Method." I won't share the exact scheme as I don't think he's publicly released much of it, but I'll say that was a sort of HLM/TM hybrid with some added lift variations. For squats in particular I think it works out to more of a HMM setup than HLM or HLH. ~20wks

4-day upper/lower (4D): Pretty standard SS 4-day split approach, 2 SQ/DL focused days and 2 PR/BP focused days, rotating rep ranges. ~15wks

In this time I went from 205-215BW, most of which was in the LP/MLP phases which I somewhat regret... We started using RPE pretty much from day 1 (gasp!), so I was able to track e1rms through the process. Again, these are weekly averages for sets of 5 reps or less, @7 or higher:

Low Bar Squat:
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Bench:
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Conv. Deadlift:
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Press 2.0:
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Weighted Chin (BW Included):
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PL Total and Wilks:
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I'll save the analysis for a future "1yr with SSOC: A Review" thread..

Injuries:
During WM cycle 2 I developed some kind of lingering issue on the outside of my left quad/hip that causes intermittent pain while squatting. No egregious technique errors, rest/NSAIDS didn't help. I've slowly been working the squat volume back in but it's been fairly inconsistent as far as when/how it flares up. Sometimes about half my warmups are miserable and then it settles down at the working sets, sometimes not. Sometimes lowbar is fine, sometimes highbar is fine, sometimes neither are fine. I've just started working with the SSB a little so may bring that into the rotation as well. At this point I'm basically just training whatever squat variant happens to be bothering me the least that day, though the default is to low bar if possible.

Current Plan:
Right now I'm going to join the Nuckols' bench programming experiment and run the 3x weekly intermediate med-volume setup. I'll pair this with the 2x weekly beginner DL template and a MM-style weekly density block for presses and chins. Still working out what to do for squats, as this hip thing is still up and down, and the Nuckols squat templates would all be an acute increase in training volume which I suspect is not a great idea... Suggestions are welcomed and appreciated! After this I will look to move to an RPE-driven template, either the RTS general intermediate or possibly one of the BBM templates.
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Post by Wilhelm » Mon Sep 17, 2018 8:23 am

Nice first log post!
Thanks for adding your log to the site, @jwilson625

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Post by mbasic » Mon Sep 17, 2018 9:01 am

I approve the title

nice to see so many logs here in the log section

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Post by GlasgowJock » Mon Sep 17, 2018 9:06 am

/subscribed.

I like Hanley's MM stuff for squatting if you're considering ideas. Squatting twice a week so alternating between hypertrophy and combined power/ strength days.

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Post by jwilson625 » Mon Sep 17, 2018 10:07 am

GlasgowJock wrote: Mon Sep 17, 2018 9:06 am /subscribed.

I like Hanley's MM stuff for squatting if you're considering ideas. Squatting twice a week so alternating between hypertrophy and combined power/ strength days.
Thanks, yeah I am interested in DUP/MM though as written it would be a pretty substantial increase in volume for me. I'm only squatting 25ish reps weekly right now with this hip/quad issue, which is less than the hypertrophy day alone... so I might need to work into that a little.

Edit: Now that I'm RTFMMT (reading the fuckin Montana Method thread) I see that the volume day is autoregulated too... so this could actually work quite well.

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Post by GlasgowJock » Mon Sep 17, 2018 10:51 am

jwilson625 wrote: Mon Sep 17, 2018 10:07 am
Edit: Now that I'm RTFMMT (reading the fuckin Montana Method thread) I see that the volume day is autoregulated too... so this could actually work quite well.
Yea just cap it @9 until you eventually get your fahves up.

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Post by jwilson625 » Tue Sep 18, 2018 5:55 am

I decided on 2wk MM for squats, Nuckols 3x Int Med Vol bench, Nuckols 2x Beg DL, and density blocks for pressing and chins. Probably will continue doing some weighted chins as well. Trying to do this on a 3x weekly schedule but we'll see how long the session times are..

Mon 9/17/2018

BW: 215

BP: 202.5x5x5 @6-7; 3-3.5min rests

- Nothing too interesting here, other than having to concentrate very hard on fully locking out my right elbow per usual.

LBSQ: 225x5x5 @6-7.5; 2min rests

- Hit @7.5 in strength, but @9.5 in cardio... I stopped after 5 sets to lay on the floor so I didn't puke in @throwinshapes basement. Hooray for work capacity, or lack thereof...

CH: 10min density block; 6, 4, 5, 3, 3, 3, 2, 2, 2, 2, 3 -> 35 reps

- I see there is some art to maximizing the use of density blocks.. I think next time I will start out with 3-4 reps instead of 6.

EDIT: I guess Nuck bench has some curls programmed, so I'll have to decide how to work those in. Day 1 and already NDTFP; my log title is fitting!

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Post by augeleven » Tue Sep 18, 2018 6:20 am

Cool data. I like how your graphs are color coded to the program you were using.
I feel like the low RPE of MM has let me squat with better technique, and I think this has lessened my squat-related aches and pains. Good luck with it.

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Post by jwilson625 » Tue Sep 18, 2018 6:26 am

augeleven wrote: Tue Sep 18, 2018 6:20 am Cool data. I like how your graphs are color coded to the program you were using.
I feel like the low RPE of MM has let me squat with better technique, and I think this has lessened my squat-related aches and pains. Good luck with it.
Yes, by the 3rd or 4th set my hip was actually feeling pretty good so i'm hoping that's a sign of things to come..

Re the graphs, they're done with Pivot Tables in Excel. Kind of a pain to set up initially and to get a log format that has all the data you wan, but super powerful for data visualization once you get it up and running.

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Post by jwilson625 » Thu Sep 20, 2018 5:35 am

Wed 9/19/2018

BW: 215.2

BP: 135x8, 165x6, 190x4, 215x3x2 @6ish

- I guess I was supposed to do the 190x4 twice :oops: Day 2 and already NDTFP...

LBSQ: 135x3, 165x3, 195x3, 225x2, 250x1, 250x1, 265x1, 295x1@7.5

- Hip was flaring up some today but nothing too outrageous. Little bit of chest cave + hips moving back, but not my worst single.

DL: 335x5@7.5, 335x3x2 <@6ish

- These were moving fine, but pretty sloppy with the squeeze and the lumbar extension. Need to slow down the setup a touch.


One other chart I generated and will edit into the first post (average weekly e1rm PL total + Wilks Score):

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Maybe not so impressive...

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Post by jwilson625 » Sat Sep 22, 2018 8:48 am

Fri 9/21/2018

BW: 215.4

BP: 215x8@9

- Would like to have been a little tighter in the lower body but these were pretty solid otherwise. Exactly 8 reps, so training max will stay the same next week.

LBSQ: 260x3x5@6-7 3-3.5min rests, Set 5

- Still working on staying tight at the bottom, but these weren't bad.

Sumo DL: 365x1@7, 315x6@8

- First time ever trying these, so in the spirit of NDTFP I started by working up to a 1@7ish to ballpark were I should be on my work sets. Kind of tough to get tight off the floor, and it didn't seem like I had the mobility to make use of a very wide/open stance. I kind of started to get the hang of it after some warmups though. These were bugging my hip after the first work set of 6, so I capped it at one set for today.

Press 2.0: 145x1@6, 155x1@8

- I've pressed 155 a number of times before, but this was the quickest and smoothest one to date. It was also my first time pressing in flats vs oly shoes, which is perhaps a coincidence but something I've wondered about in the past. I've had an odd press habit of pushing the bar forward up at the lockout and thought pressing in flats could help with that, but I don't know how much it matters.

Press 1.5: 7min density block; 125x3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3 -> 24 reps

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Post by jwilson625 » Tue Sep 25, 2018 5:21 am

Mon 9/24/2018

BW: 214

BP: 215x4x3 @6-7; 200x6x3 @6-6.5, Set 3; 3-3.5min rests

- Was getting fairly tired towards the end of these. Still would like to tighten up the lower body a bit more, but nothing majorly concerning overall.

LBSQ: 245x4x3 @6; 245x3x4 <@6, Set 3; 3-4min rests

- Left knee seems to be floating around a lot on the ascent which I don't think is helping with this mystery hip issue. Didn't bother me too much today though.

DL: NDTFP

- Moving these to Wednesdays because the Monday sessions are taking too long

CH: 10min density block; 3, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 3 -> 40 reps

- I did these on 30s intervals, which is a protocol I was doing with Wolf that seemed pretty time-efficient.

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Post by jwilson625 » Thu Sep 27, 2018 5:05 pm

Wed 9/26/2018

BW: 214.2

BP: 135x8; 160x6x2; 185x5x2; 200x4x2; 215x3x3 @6 or less, Set 3; 3-3.5min rests

- Nothing noteworthy, just trying to stay tight

LBSQ: 195x3; 225x2; 250x1x2; 265x1; 290x1@7.5; 300x1@7-7.5; 3-4min rests

- Hip was flaring up some on the singles but otherwise not too bad. Definitely didn't look like 92%+.

DL: 340x5@7.5; 335x3x3@6-6.5, Set 3; 3min rest

- Didn't love the squeeze on the set of 5, the 3s were better I think

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Post by jwilson625 » Mon Oct 01, 2018 4:47 am

Fri 9/28/2018

Sick AF today so this was a pretty tough session overall.

BW: 214.8

BP: 215x10@10

- Very happy with this, especially being sick. BW bench for 10 reps is a fun milestone.

LBSQ: 265x3x3@7-8; 265x2x3@7-7.5, Set 3 (1:08); 4min rests

- Hip was flaring up quite a bit by the end of these. Brought my gaze up a little on the later sets and was having an easier time maintaining thoracic extension. #welookslightlydown

Sumo DL: 315x6@8

- Missed the video on these. Stopped after one set again as they were bothering my hip quite a lot. I'm likely going to pull sumo out of the rotation and replace with a conventional deadlift variant.

Press 1.5: 10min density block; 125x3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 1, 2, 1 -> 25 reps

- I was dying at this point in the session and didn't have a lot left for presses.

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Post by jwilson625 » Tue Oct 02, 2018 5:46 am

Mon 9/17/2018

BW: 214.6

BP: 230x3x4 @6-7, Set 4; 205x8,6 :cry: ; 3-3.5min rests

- Triples went really well, but I ran out of gas hard on the 8s. Hoping this was just because I'm coming down from being sick for ~4 days, but I'm not sure. Any Nuckols bench guys know what you're supposed to do if you miss reps?

LBSQ*: 225x5x5 <@6-7, Set 5; 2min rests

- Thoracic extension/elbow position was a little sloppy here. Hit @7ish again, but hip was flaring up after 5 sets. The good news is I didn't have to lay on the floor to catch my breath, so that was better than last week...

CH: 10min density block; 3, 3, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 1, 2-> 41 reps

* Noticing that this hip thing on squats gets worse during my beltless warmups, is fine for a bit when I put on the belt, then flares up again on my heaviest or most fatigued sets. I may try rotating in a paused or high pin squat for a bit to see if a lack of bounce or shorter ROM alleviates anything. Stance adjustments and squat style have make no difference.

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Post by jwilson625 » Thu Oct 04, 2018 7:30 pm

Wed 10/3/2018

BW: 217 :?:

BP: 135x8; 165x6x2; 190x5x2; 220x3x2 @6-6.5, 245x1x2@7.5, Set 2; 3-4min rests

- Pretty tough session despite the low-ish RPE. First single was solid, second was a little soft in the setup and off in my hands so went up kind of wonky.

LBSQ: 200x3; 230x2; 255x1x2; 275x1@7; 295x1@8; 3-4min rests

- Hip was feeling pretty rough up until the last few singles. A little forward pitch on the heavy ones, but I didn't hate these overall.

DL: 345x5@7.5; 345x3x4 @6.5-7.5, Set 4; 3-4min rest

- Once again didn't love the squeeze on the set of 5, the 3s were a bit better.

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Post by jwilson625 » Mon Oct 08, 2018 6:17 am

Fri 10/5/2018

BW: 215.4

BP: 220x8@10

- I fucking know I had a 9th rep in me here, but I let it get a little forward and missed it. 220x8 was still pretty solid though, especially after a week of being sick+mediocre training.

LBSQ: 265x3@7, 265x3@8; 4min rests

- This hip/quad/whatever issue will not calm down, and for the first time in a while actually got continuously worse and worse throughout the session. So I cut the squats off early, and I'm finally going to throw in the towel and try the BBM pain management approach. I already know that rest, weight, stance, and style (HB, SSB, etc.) don't make any difference, and that the pain seems to hit in the first third or so of the concentric. So to start I plan to try tempo and paused/pin squats, and possibly a high pin squat if none of those seem to work.

SGDL: 225x5x4@<6, Set 4; 3min rests

- Beltless+DOH on these. Sumo was bothering my hip on day 2 of the Nuckols layout the past couple weeks, so I'm swapping out that day for Hanley's MM SGDL day. These were pretty easy; next week might require straps.

Press 1.5: 145x1@8.5, 10min density block; 115x3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 2, 3 -> 23 reps

- Phone died so I didn't get video for this single, but it was much tougher than I was expecting. Hopefully just an off day.

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Post by jwilson625 » Tue Oct 09, 2018 6:22 am

Mon 10/8/2018

BW: 216.8

BP: 220x2x3 <@6, Set 3; 205x5x3 @6 or less, Set 3; ; 3-3.5min rests

- Nothing too interesting here. Tight setup, easy reps.

LBSQ: Various

- I spent a bunch of time today going through various squat modifications to see if I could find something that didn't aggravate this mystery hip/quad issue. I observed the following re. pain levels:
  • Pain occurs in the first 1/2 or so of the concentric
  • Weight on the bar makes no difference (even BW only)
  • Wider and narrower stance are both worse than my regular stance
  • Pausing/stopping on pins is slightly better
  • Paused pin squats on elevated pins (1/2-3/4 squat) is better
  • 3-1-3 tempo is better
- I found that a 3-1-3 tempo squat to elevated pins seemed to result in the least pain IF I am extremely tight, smooth, and controlled initiating the concentric. So I guess I'll try progressing this in some fashion for the time being.

CH: +70x1@8.5

- Haven't done any weighted chins in almost a month (BW density blocks only), but apparently didn't lose any top-end strength. I intended to do a density block after this, but had already been in the gym way too long dicking around with squat variations and decided to call it a day. I'll squeeze it in some other time this week.

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Post by jwilson625 » Thu Oct 11, 2018 5:55 am

Wed 10/10/2018

BW: 216.2

BP: 135x5; 165x4; 190x3; 205x3x2; 220x2x2, Set 2; 2-3min rests

- Bunch of low stress sets gearing up for Friday's heavy AMRAP to end the cycle. Still battling the soft elbow on the unrack and lockout; I don't know why I can't seem to beat that habit.

3-1-3 Pin LBSQ, ~2/3 ROM: 95x8x3, Set 3; 3-4min rests

- A little discomfort but no significant pain on these. Tougher on The Core than anything else. Going forward I'm going to do 2 days of squatting - one heavier with a shorter ROM and one lighter with a longer (hopefully full) ROM. I saw in one of Austin's pain management videos that this can be a good strategy for minimizing detraining while also avoiding getting accustomed to training with a limited ROM.

DL: 245x3x4, Set 3; 2min rests

- Same deal as bench, just some easy work before a new 1RM test (really more like 1@8 or 1@9) on Friday to end the cycle. A little more rushed in the setup than I'd like, but pretty good mechanics overall.

CH: 10min density block; 3, 3, 3, 3, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 1, 2 -> 45 reps

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Post by throwinshapes » Thu Oct 11, 2018 6:08 am

jwilson625 wrote: Thu Oct 11, 2018 5:55 am
3-1-3 Pin LBSQ, ~2/3 ROM: 95x8x3, Set 3; 3-4min rests

- A little discomfort but no significant pain on these. Tougher on The Core than anything else. Going forward I'm going to do 2 days of squatting - one heavier with a shorter ROM and one lighter with a longer (hopefully full) ROM. I saw in one of Austin's pain management videos that this can be a good strategy for minimizing detraining while also avoiding getting accustomed to training with a limited ROM.
The home gym last night was really The BBM Center For SSOC Rehabilitation, you with your quad work, and me with the elbow work. :x

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