Newish Protein recommendations

[jwilson625]

Big Protein themselves telling us that the nuances of protein intake don't matter that much. Your move, libtards!

[quikky]

Is #2 on that list true? I keep hearing conflicting info on that. Do you gain a higher percentage of muscle vs. fat the less body fat you have?

@Austin?

[michael]

Is #2 on that list true? I keep hearing conflicting info on that. Do you gain a higher percentage of muscle vs. fat the less body fat you have?

Only if you are naturally lean.

If you diet down to lean your entire metabolism has shifted to thrifty fat storing protective mechanisms.

This is why 90+% of dieters regain all fat lost or more.

[quikky]

Is #2 on that list true? I keep hearing conflicting info on that. Do you gain a higher percentage of muscle vs. fat the less body fat you have?

Only if you are naturally lean.

If you diet down to lean your entire metabolism has shifted to thrifty fat storing protective mechanisms.

This is why 90+% of dieters regain all fat lost or more.

I don't understand what the underlined part means. Could you by any chance point me to some resources on this that I could read up on?

[Austin]

Carrying extra body fat / being obese impairs the muscle protein synthetic response.

https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10 ... 00087/full

[lehman906]

Carrying extra body fat / being obese impairs the muscle protein synthetic response.

https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10 ... 00087/full

I know you’ve said in the past that you don’t track what you eat, but weigh yourself every day. Do you have a ball park idea of what your numbers are for the day? Like you know that you’re somewhere in the neighborhood of 3500cao/200g/protein, for instance? I can keep a running tally of protein in my head, but if I don’t track, my calories could be anywhere from 2500-4000 and Depending on what I had, I couldn’t even judge it by fullness.

[cwd]

Carrying extra body fat / being obese impairs the muscle protein synthetic response.

https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10 ... 00087/full

That study mentions obese vs. not-obese, have there been any studies to see if protein synthesis continues to improve down to low levels of bodyfat?

Specifically, is it more efficient to bulk/cut between 10 and 15% bodyfat vs 15 and 20?
Dieting to below 15% is harder for me, and I don't care about abs, just health and getting stronger.

[Austin]

I know you’ve said in the past that you don’t track what you eat, but weigh yourself every day. Do you have a ball park idea of what your numbers are for the day? Like you know that you’re somewhere in the neighborhood of 3500cao/200g/protein, for instance? I can keep a running tally of protein in my head, but if I don’t track, my calories could be anywhere from 2500-4000 and Depending on what I had, I couldn’t even judge it by fullness.

Yeah I probably average between 175-200 g protein for the day. Otherwise I tend to eat relatively lower fat foods (just preference) and fill in the rest of the energy intake to just-over-fullness (and end-of-day bodyweight). I'm in a situation where if I only ate until I was satisfied, my BW would probably be 175 within a few couple weeks.

That study mentions obese vs. not-obese, have there been any studies to see if protein synthesis continues to improve down to low levels of bodyfat?

Specifically, is it more efficient to bulk/cut between 10 and 15% bodyfat vs 15 and 20?
Dieting to below 15% is harder for me, and I don't care about abs, just health and getting stronger.

I don't know - haven't looked, to be honest. I'd be surprised if there were a comparative study that was adequately powered (in terms of sample size) to show such a thing.

[NickJennison]

Carrying extra body fat / being obese impairs the muscle protein synthetic response.

https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10 ... 00087/full

Crikey! This is news to me. Time to cut some BF...

[cwd]

That study mentions obese vs. not-obese, have there been any studies to see if protein synthesis continues to improve down to low levels of bodyfat?

Specifically, is it more efficient to bulk/cut between 10 and 15% bodyfat vs 15 and 20?
Dieting to below 15% is harder for me, and I don't care about abs, just health and getting stronger.

I don't know - haven't looked, to be honest. I'd be surprised if there were a comparative study that was adequately powered (in terms of sample size) to show such a thing.

Thanks. I can see how that would be a difficult study to do...

[Wilhelm]

That study mentions obese vs. not-obese, have there been any studies to see if protein synthesis continues to improve down to low levels of bodyfat?

Specifically, is it more efficient to bulk/cut between 10 and 15% bodyfat vs 15 and 20?
Dieting to below 15% is harder for me, and I don't care about abs, just health and getting stronger.

I don't know - haven't looked, to be honest. I'd be surprised if there were a comparative study that was adequately powered (in terms of sample size) to show such a thing.

Thanks. I can see how that would be a difficult study to do...

I'm not sure if they cover more ground here on this question (mostly because i'm not spending any time actually thinking about or comparing what you and Austin have already said) but i will add this here because they are kicking it around, and maybe it means something to you in light of your question or concern.
Timestamped.

[cwd]

@Wilhelm, Jordan said something similar when I re-asked my question on BBM's forum: https://forum.barbellmedicine.com/forum ... r-bulk-cut

My takeaway from all this is that if you are not so fat as to be unhealthy (i.e. not pre-diabetic) and not so lean as to be unhealthy (i.e. contest bodybuilder), you are probably OK for building muscle. The main reason to prefer the 10:15 pct BF bulk/cut range over 15:20 is aesthetic.

And that 20:25 or even higher work too (as evidenced by the fact that so many strong & fat people exist), though maybe with health risks.