aurelius wrote: ↑Sat Sep 10, 2022 4:13 pm
dw wrote: ↑Sat Sep 10, 2022 4:06 pmYes Elizabeth really was a lot like Hitler when you think about it.
My main point here is not Queen Elizabeth II. Who was a self-serving monarch that always put the interest of the Crown (her) above any other concern. Her main achievement is simply surviving at all cost. A notable achievement for a monarch in the modern age. She likely had little to no role in UK's Igbo genocide policy. Certainly could have spoken out against it. But let's be honest, decisions similar to the Igbo genocide were routine for the British Empire. But having never had genocide committed against me and mine, I'm not going to tell someone who has who and what it is unreasonable for them to hold a grudge against.
My main point is you reframing this to fit your narrative. It doesn't. And it has put you in the odd position of defending genocide. Okay. Keep at it if you want. I'm gonna go drink beer.
The notion of genocide is fairly modern, it was standard practice historically speaking. While that does not make it right, or okay, it does indicate context. The statement you made earlier indicates a general ignorance of the British Empire, it was by no means at it's height for the childhood or reign of Elizabeth 2, not even close. What had been common practice by the great majority of conquering peoples, which frankly was most of those that are recorded in history, is in no way indicative of Elizabeth or her decisions. Her main concern did not appear to be survival, she could quite easily have ended the monarchy as a thing and gone into quiet private life comfortably with no serious concerns or pressures. She was a billionaire of a magnitude that Donald Trump couldn't even pretend to be, even without the support of public monies. She actually seemed to have devoted a great deal of time to actual public service, and offering political opinions would serve to roil up some of the public and piss off people in the government, but not much else other than lower her down to the fray. She chose to stay above that stuff, something that a lot more people could do and in so doing make the world a better place. I frankly don't give a damn what some mis-informed celebrity thinks and everyone could do without the general turmoil and misinformation they stir up amongst the idiots that do care.
Technically speaking, being of largely Scottish descent, and MacGregor is part of it, I have place to be more upset with Royal decisions than Igbo descendants. Hell, the US government technically owes me reparations from the War of Independence, and that is actual law, and I will never see those or any justice for the mistreatment of my ancestors by the Colonies back in the day. It's just piss poor form to throw shit at a dead woman just because she was connected to people that may have done your family wrong.