Ban the guns, the shootings will stop. Once again it's not very complicated.mikeylikey wrote: ↑Thu Mar 30, 2023 7:14 amIn the sense that the 'reason' for car wrecks is cars and the 'reason' for obesity is food, then sure.CheekiBreekiFitness wrote: ↑Thu Mar 30, 2023 6:57 am The reason for shootings in the US is simply because guns are available. That's all.
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Doesn't that answer the question ?BostonRugger wrote: ↑Thu Mar 30, 2023 7:03 amCould you draw this out a little bit? Who is it that you think is being enriched, and how?CheekiBreekiFitness wrote: ↑Thu Mar 30, 2023 6:57 am The reason for shootings in the US is simply because guns are available. That's all.
People blame a thousand things:
- poverty
- mental health issues
- violent video games
- shock rock
- violent history
- bullying in school
- organized crime
- lack of employment
- etc.
Most countries in Europe have all of those things, but no shootings. It's really not that complicated.
Now what to do about it ? Probably nothing, because the people who own America (not the politicians, who are just here for show, the big business interests who fund all the campaigns and make all the important decisions) have decided that the people should be armed because it makes them rich. That's pretty much it.
ETA: I ask because firearms is a $~25B market in the US. Ammo is another 25.
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Well that's a relief.
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No, it doesn't. For comparison, the *furniture* industry is 5x as large at ~250B. A single retailer, Wayfair, pulled in 12.2B in revenue last year.CheekiBreekiFitness wrote: ↑Thu Mar 30, 2023 7:23 amDoesn't that answer the question ?BostonRugger wrote: ↑Thu Mar 30, 2023 7:03 amCould you draw this out a little bit? Who is it that you think is being enriched, and how?CheekiBreekiFitness wrote: ↑Thu Mar 30, 2023 6:57 am The reason for shootings in the US is simply because guns are available. That's all.
People blame a thousand things:
- poverty
- mental health issues
- violent video games
- shock rock
- violent history
- bullying in school
- organized crime
- lack of employment
- etc.
Most countries in Europe have all of those things, but no shootings. It's really not that complicated.
Now what to do about it ? Probably nothing, because the people who own America (not the politicians, who are just here for show, the big business interests who fund all the campaigns and make all the important decisions) have decided that the people should be armed because it makes them rich. That's pretty much it.
ETA: I ask because firearms is a $~25B market in the US. Ammo is another 25.
Past that, there are plenty of firms in this country that are significantly larger than the entire firearms industry. It doesn't track that a $50B industry somehow holds undue influence over the US government.
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I agree with your point. The $ is not the issue. A large percentage of Americans believe unfettered gun ownership is a right. They also believe that gun ownership is important to maintain freedoms. Which gives ‘outsized’ political power to lobby groups like the NRA. But that is just a reflection of the values of the electorate.BostonRugger wrote: ↑Thu Mar 30, 2023 8:28 am No, it doesn't. For comparison, the *furniture* industry is 5x as large at ~250B. A single retailer, Wayfair, pulled in 12.2B in revenue last year.
Past that, there are plenty of firms in this country that are significantly larger than the entire firearms industry. It doesn't track that a $50B industry somehow holds undue influence over the US government.
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What works for you on an epistemological basis is nobody's business but yours I guess.dw wrote: ↑Wed Mar 29, 2023 8:17 pm Consistent with this the vast majority of the cases are black and Hispanic people in poor neighborhoods or homeless, very often gang members or somehow affiliated. I think the show is a quite representative of the homicide demographics in the neighborhoods it covers.
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You do not see the difference between furniture and firearms ?BostonRugger wrote: ↑Thu Mar 30, 2023 8:28 amNo, it doesn't. For comparison, the *furniture* industry is 5x as large at ~250B. A single retailer, Wayfair, pulled in 12.2B in revenue last year.CheekiBreekiFitness wrote: ↑Thu Mar 30, 2023 7:23 amDoesn't that answer the question ?BostonRugger wrote: ↑Thu Mar 30, 2023 7:03 amCould you draw this out a little bit? Who is it that you think is being enriched, and how?CheekiBreekiFitness wrote: ↑Thu Mar 30, 2023 6:57 am The reason for shootings in the US is simply because guns are available. That's all.
People blame a thousand things:
- poverty
- mental health issues
- violent video games
- shock rock
- violent history
- bullying in school
- organized crime
- lack of employment
- etc.
Most countries in Europe have all of those things, but no shootings. It's really not that complicated.
Now what to do about it ? Probably nothing, because the people who own America (not the politicians, who are just here for show, the big business interests who fund all the campaigns and make all the important decisions) have decided that the people should be armed because it makes them rich. That's pretty much it.
ETA: I ask because firearms is a $~25B market in the US. Ammo is another 25.
Past that, there are plenty of firms in this country that are significantly larger than the entire firearms industry. It doesn't track that a $50B industry somehow holds undue influence over the US government.
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*exasperated sigh*CheekiBreekiFitness wrote: ↑Thu Mar 30, 2023 8:49 am
You do not see the difference between furniture and firearms ?
BostonRugger wrote: ↑Thu Mar 30, 2023 7:03 am
Could you draw this out a little bit? Who is it that you think is being enriched, and how?
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Idk why I think of this memeCheekiBreekiFitness wrote: ↑Thu Mar 30, 2023 7:20 am Ban the guns, the shootings will stop. Once again it's not very complicated.
GUNS ARE BANNED!
But, seriously, how do you ban guns? Not "we can't because of the NRA or Republcians." But, how?
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Maybe took that too literally
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How do you take guns away?SSJBartSimpson wrote: ↑Thu Mar 30, 2023 10:52 amI like taking guns away early. Take the guns first, go through due process second.
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Sorry, I was being snide.gtl wrote: ↑Thu Mar 30, 2023 10:53 amHow do you take guns away?SSJBartSimpson wrote: ↑Thu Mar 30, 2023 10:52 amI like taking guns away early. Take the guns first, go through due process second.
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mikeylikey wrote: ↑Thu Mar 30, 2023 8:35 amWhat works for you on an epistemological basis is nobody's business but yours I guess.dw wrote: ↑Wed Mar 29, 2023 8:17 pm Consistent with this the vast majority of the cases are black and Hispanic people in poor neighborhoods or homeless, very often gang members or somehow affiliated. I think the show is a quite representative of the homicide demographics in the neighborhoods it covers.
Are you expressing the opinion that the shows cases are not representative of the jurisdictions it covers?
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No what I am expressing is I don't infer broad demographic trends based on incidents I see on TV. Are we really debating that?dw wrote: ↑Thu Mar 30, 2023 11:57 ammikeylikey wrote: ↑Thu Mar 30, 2023 8:35 amWhat works for you on an epistemological basis is nobody's business but yours I guess.dw wrote: ↑Wed Mar 29, 2023 8:17 pm Consistent with this the vast majority of the cases are black and Hispanic people in poor neighborhoods or homeless, very often gang members or somehow affiliated. I think the show is a quite representative of the homicide demographics in the neighborhoods it covers.
Are you expressing the opinion that the shows cases are not representative of the jurisdictions it covers?
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mikeylikey wrote: ↑Thu Mar 30, 2023 1:59 pmNo what I am expressing is I don't infer broad demographic trends based on incidents I see on TV. Are we really debating that?dw wrote: ↑Thu Mar 30, 2023 11:57 ammikeylikey wrote: ↑Thu Mar 30, 2023 8:35 amWhat works for you on an epistemological basis is nobody's business but yours I guess.dw wrote: ↑Wed Mar 29, 2023 8:17 pm Consistent with this the vast majority of the cases are black and Hispanic people in poor neighborhoods or homeless, very often gang members or somehow affiliated. I think the show is a quite representative of the homicide demographics in the neighborhoods it covers.
Are you expressing the opinion that the shows cases are not representative of the jurisdictions it covers?
No. Although in fact that could be perfectly reasonable if the show were essentially an uncurated documentary. But regardless you have misconstrued my post.
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Like how we banned heroin and the overdoses stopped. Simple.CheekiBreekiFitness wrote: ↑Thu Mar 30, 2023 7:20 amBan the guns, the shootings will stop. Once again it's not very complicated.mikeylikey wrote: ↑Thu Mar 30, 2023 7:14 amIn the sense that the 'reason' for car wrecks is cars and the 'reason' for obesity is food, then sure.CheekiBreekiFitness wrote: ↑Thu Mar 30, 2023 6:57 am The reason for shootings in the US is simply because guns are available. That's all.
Unless they are a closet Nazi, a European really has no standing for criticizing the existence of the United States' violence culture.
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RE: Banning guns.
Not going to happen because it would require a constitutional amendment in the U.S. There is very, very little chance that, even if the amendment was supported by 2/3 of both the House and the Senate, that 3/4 of the states would then vote to ratify it. So, yeah, pretty much zero chance.
Not going to happen because it would require a constitutional amendment in the U.S. There is very, very little chance that, even if the amendment was supported by 2/3 of both the House and the Senate, that 3/4 of the states would then vote to ratify it. So, yeah, pretty much zero chance.