Guns and Shit

[BostonRugger]

https://variety.com/2024/film/news/rust ... 32812/amp/

Rust armorer was found guilty

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https://variety.com/2024/film/news/rust ... 32812/amp/

Rust armorer was found guilty

I didn't follow the trial. Was the stuff about them target shooting and having other neg discharges real? (If someone did follow).

[mikeylikey]

https://variety.com/2024/film/news/rust ... 32812/amp/

Rust armorer was found guilty

I didn't follow the trial. Was the stuff about them target shooting and having other neg discharges real? (If someone did follow).

Yes to ND's, at least two (with blanks) which were 100% careless handling by stunt man and prop woman. Prosecution argued these should have heightened awareness around doublechecking the guns.

All the testimony ruled out any target shooting on Rust set. Those early press reports seem to be the result of some shoddy reporting with a grain of truth mixed in: The supplier of the guns HAD participated in a recent live-fire range day for some actors from a different project. The defense conjectured, with no real evidence besides that his shop was cluttered, that he had mixed up leftover Real Boolits from that session when supplying the Rust movie.

The defense whole theory of the case was that she was not responsible because her supplier screwed up and put real bullets in a box marked dummies. They couldn't produce any evidence of this and in fact the prosecution made a very good circumstantial case that Gutierrez herself had introduced the live bullets in gun belts and holsters that SHE supplied.

I think the prosecution successfully argued that it didn't matter who supplied the bullets it was her job to check every one and she didn't.

The most wtf moment of the trial was the defense's geriatric civil-war-re-enactor qua firearms-"expert" repeatedly flagging the whole courtroom and the judge with a revolver BEFORE clearing it.


Also, Baldwins trial will not be an easy acquittal. Pretty damning video of him waving loaded guns around, using them like pointers to direct people, rushing reloads, finger ALWAYS on the trigger, etc. And this wasn't his trial. Based on what came out in the armorer trial there is going to be a compelling case that the shooting was less a one in a million freak accident and more the inevitable conclusion of a pattern of dangerous behavior.

[aurelius]

I think the prosecution successfully argued that it didn't matter who supplied the bullets it was her job to check every one and she didn't.

What was particularly significant to me: the prosecutor showed a trained armorer can shake a round to determine if it is live or dummy. Regardless of how the live rounds go onto the set, the armorer just wasn't doing her job.

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[V good info]

Thanks bae!

[mikeylikey]

Too soon?

[mouse]

Just popping in to report that the Thunder Ranch 940 is not totally out of the realm of possibility just yet...

...and to ask how I've gone this long without having an ulti clip on my daily holster. Adding a light necessitated a new holster and I had fallen out of love with the previous company I used to buy from so I tried a local guy and paid the extra for the ulti clip because I've never been comfortable with most holster clips (all my previous holsters are loop/snap, and they didn't offer those).

Damn... this thing is fantastic...

[aurelius]

Thunder Ranch 940 looks glorious. I really, really, really want a Sig P226 Zev. But $2,000 for a pistol (with optic) is A LOT.

I will pour one out for both of our bank accounts.

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https://www.yahoo.com/news/hunter-biden ... 06965.html

Hopefully non-reporting probation or similar is the outcome. While I think he was clearly guilty and the prosecution is fine (and he's probably guilty of a bunch of insider trading/public corruption) let's not go crazy on this crime.

[DanCR]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/hunter-biden ... 06965.html

Hopefully non-reporting probation or similar is the outcome. While I think he was clearly guilty and the prosecution is fine (and he's probably guilty of a bunch of insider trading/public corruption) let's not go crazy on this crime.

IIRC, the Fifth Circuit has declared said crime unconstitutional. He's not in the Fifth, but cue the appeals.

[aurelius]

IIRC, the Fifth Circuit has declared said crime unconstitutional. He's not in the Fifth, but cue the appeals.

Because what this country needs is another protracted legal process decided by SCOTUS.

[mikeylikey]

IIRC, the Fifth Circuit has declared said crime unconstitutional. He's not in the Fifth, but cue the appeals.

This is correct but incomplete.

The 5th circuit case you refer to is US V Daniels. Daniels was charged with POSESSESSING a gun while being a user of marijuana, in violation of USC 922(g)(3). The 5th circuit ruled 922(g)(3) unconstitutional under Bruen. Daniels was NOT charged with lying on a form 4473, a different crime (presumably because he was not a user at the time he bought the guns and/or they didn't have sufficient evidence he lied when he bought the gun).

Biden was charged with one count of having a gun while an addict/user, violating 922(g)(3) like Daniels, but Biden was ALSO charged with lying on his 4473 in violation of 922(a)6. Even if on appeal the conviction under 922(g)(3) fell, I don't see that it helps him on the false statements under 922(a)6. At the time he made those false statements 922(g)3 was in full effect.

Assume the appeals courts in Biden's case follow Daniels (on their own or because Scotus affirms it). Is it a crime to give a false answer to a question which itself is unconstitutional? Well at least the 7th circuit says YES:

"Our legal system provides methods for challenging the Government's right to ask questions—lying is not one of them. A citizen may decline to answer the question, or answer it honestly, but he cannot with impunity knowingly and willfully answer with a falsehood." Bryson v. United States, 396 U.S. 64, 72, 90 S.Ct. 355, 24 L.Ed.2d 264 (1969), reaffirmed in Lachance v. Erickson, 522 U.S. 262, 118 S.Ct. 753, 139 L.Ed.2d 695 (1998). That principle decides this appeal.
https://casetext.com/case/united-states-v-holden-45

This case involved a different 4473 question but otherwise exact same situation. 922(a)6 applies even if the question is unconstitutional. Holden has appealed to SCOTUS and as best I can find the cert application is still pending. But I would be surprised if the current SCOTUS finds to the contrary.

In other words, as it stands now, even the most favorable application of Bruen and/or Daniels probably can't help Hunter with respect to the felony false statements.

IIRC, the Fifth Circuit has declared said crime unconstitutional. He's not in the Fifth, but cue the appeals.

Because what this country needs is another protracted legal process decided by SCOTUS.

I understand the sentiment but this actually has important ramifications for the 2nd amendment beyond the political theater of the Biden particulars.

Regardless of the above, I think it was total bullshit to prosecute Hunter Biden for having a gun for 11 days 8 years ago. It can simultaneously be true that he is guilty an the merits and also the case was a political witch hunt, and I think the pro-2a right is making asses of themselves cheering this.

[mikeylikey]

In other news, bump stocks are now legal again.

As much as I want to feel like this was a victory for freedom and 'murica I have some misgivings about the logic used by the majority, and it is never really satisfying to see a case come down on ideological lines even if you happen to agree with the outcome.

[mikeylikey]

LOL at all the bump stocks on GunBroker, NOS from private sellers.

I don't know how bright it is to telegraph to the world that you have no qualms about hanging on to felony contraband for 7 years.

[mouse]

LOL at all the bump stocks on GunBroker, NOS from private sellers.

I don't know how bright it is to telegraph to the world that you have no qualms about hanging on to felony contraband for 7 years.

They probably just found them in the trash can where their law abiding owners ditched them when the ATF waved their magic wands last time...

[mikeylikey]

LOL at all the bump stocks on GunBroker, NOS from private sellers.

I don't know how bright it is to telegraph to the world that you have no qualms about hanging on to felony contraband for 7 years.

They probably just found them in the trash can where their law abiding owners ditched them when the ATF waved their magic wands last time...

Bump Stocks Lost In Boating Accidents Back In 2017 Miraculously Wash Up On Shore

[aurelius]

The Baldwin case...just wow. Crazy.

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It's a fair cop 'guv. Prosecutor's doing classic prosecutor bull. Very glad the judge dismissed with prejudice vs rizzle dizzling on one of the exceptions.

[mikeylikey]

Good:

In historic case, father of 14-year-old school shooting suspect charged with murder

A year ago, local investigators interviewed Gray and his son about alleged online threats the teen had made to shoot up a school, accusations that Colt Gray denied at the time. This week, the boy’s aunt, Annie Brown, told The Washington Post that the teen had been “begging” the adults around him for mental health support in recent months.

Put this guy under the jail.

[mikeylikey]

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/pol ... 300591007/

"If somebody breaks into my house, they're getting shot," Harris responded, then broke into a laugh. "Probably should not have said that. My staff will deal with that later."

These assholes. Imagine if a right wing person said this. It's one thing for them to be ignorant about the guns they want to ban common sense regulate. Not everybody is into guns. It's another for a fucking lawyer to make flip comments like this when she should know better.

I'll tell you what it is. This is what she thinks pro-gun people what to hear, because this is how she thinks they think.