I suppose it depends on whether you're gunning for strength or hypertrophy. If you want to improve your strength on any given lift, then do it first. This principle extends to assistance-type and single-joint movements if that is where someone’s priorities lie. In other words, if your lying leg curl or curl strength is your primary focus, then it would behoove you to do it first. For hypertrophy, it doesn't appear to matter much. Simple axiom for hypertrophy exercise order: do the order you enjoy most, do the order that allows you to perform the most volume, and opting for the order which will facilitate adherence the best. This doesn't have to remain static though, it could rotate on any particular day, as long as you get in the desirable volume and tick off the goals for said training session.DCR wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2024 5:24 pmThis isn’t a comment on your particular training but more a thought that I’ve had a hard time shaking lately. Just taking this one movement, everyone, no matter what they squat/deadlift, no matter the particular machine, seems to work somewhere in this range of strength after a bit of work. I can’t count how many times I started around 70 or so lbs, worked up to 120 or so, and then moved on. What if we all prioritized it and worked up to 200 lbs?
Play that out with any number of movements. I mean how fucking many dudes are out there curling the 35 lb DBs? It’s endless. What if we made it a hard goal to curl the 60s and did whatever it took to make that happen, as we approach the powerlifts?
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I'm talking hypertrophy. When I reference increasing strength significantly on movements on which no one ever seems to, I don't mean for a 1RM. I'm talking in a bodybuilding rep range - say taking one's curls from 35s x10 to 60s x10. Whether by moving a movement up in one's training order, spending more time on dedicated programming for it, or other options not occurring to a bro such as myself, I think there's a lot of value to be had in doing whatever it takes to make those leaps happen. Perhaps it just means a rotating schedule of bodypart or movement prioritization, e.g. backburner-ing squats for a minute while running up leg curls to a ridiculous number and getting some jacked af hams out of it, before transitioning back.lheugh wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2024 7:38 amI suppose it depends on whether you're gunning for strength or hypertrophy. If you want to improve your strength on any given lift, then do it first. This principle extends to assistance-type and single-joint movements if that is where someone’s priorities lie. In other words, if your lying leg curl or curl strength is your primary focus, then it would behoove you to do it first. For hypertrophy, it doesn't appear to matter much. Simple axiom for hypertrophy exercise order: do the order you enjoy most, do the order that allows you to perform the most volume, and opting for the order which will facilitate adherence the best. This doesn't have to remain static though, it could rotate on any particular day, as long as you get in the desirable volume and tick off the goals for said training session.DCR wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2024 5:24 pmThis isn’t a comment on your particular training but more a thought that I’ve had a hard time shaking lately. Just taking this one movement, everyone, no matter what they squat/deadlift, no matter the particular machine, seems to work somewhere in this range of strength after a bit of work. I can’t count how many times I started around 70 or so lbs, worked up to 120 or so, and then moved on. What if we all prioritized it and worked up to 200 lbs?
Play that out with any number of movements. I mean how fucking many dudes are out there curling the 35 lb DBs? It’s endless. What if we made it a hard goal to curl the 60s and did whatever it took to make that happen, as we approach the powerlifts?
I'm being repetitive but it's just that I see the same "ceiling" on particular movements, over and over for nearly every dude. What's above the ceiling? I posit: substantial unrealized gainzz.
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Phew, the gym pin-added 10kg plate made for hard work for the ol' lats.
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Ah, yeah you're on the right track to a specialisation phase/block/mesocycle. There is definite value to it, especially if there's a particular muscle group you want to focus on. It's interesting through that there is a similar load range on such exercises, more so that anthropometry concerns make the movement either more difficult or easier from person to person, and then if you wanted to quantify that work, it can get even murkier.DCR wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2024 6:19 pmI'm talking hypertrophy. When I reference increasing strength significantly on movements on which no one ever seems to, I don't mean for a 1RM. I'm talking in a bodybuilding rep range - say taking one's curls from 35s x10 to 60s x10. Whether by moving a movement up in one's training order, spending more time on dedicated programming for it, or other options not occurring to a bro such as myself, I think there's a lot of value to be had in doing whatever it takes to make those leaps happen. Perhaps it just means a rotating schedule of bodypart or movement prioritization, e.g. backburner-ing squats for a minute while running up leg curls to a ridiculous number and getting some jacked af hams out of it, before transitioning back.lheugh wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2024 7:38 amI suppose it depends on whether you're gunning for strength or hypertrophy. If you want to improve your strength on any given lift, then do it first. This principle extends to assistance-type and single-joint movements if that is where someone’s priorities lie. In other words, if your lying leg curl or curl strength is your primary focus, then it would behoove you to do it first. For hypertrophy, it doesn't appear to matter much. Simple axiom for hypertrophy exercise order: do the order you enjoy most, do the order that allows you to perform the most volume, and opting for the order which will facilitate adherence the best. This doesn't have to remain static though, it could rotate on any particular day, as long as you get in the desirable volume and tick off the goals for said training session.DCR wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2024 5:24 pmThis isn’t a comment on your particular training but more a thought that I’ve had a hard time shaking lately. Just taking this one movement, everyone, no matter what they squat/deadlift, no matter the particular machine, seems to work somewhere in this range of strength after a bit of work. I can’t count how many times I started around 70 or so lbs, worked up to 120 or so, and then moved on. What if we all prioritized it and worked up to 200 lbs?
Play that out with any number of movements. I mean how fucking many dudes are out there curling the 35 lb DBs? It’s endless. What if we made it a hard goal to curl the 60s and did whatever it took to make that happen, as we approach the powerlifts?
I'm being repetitive but it's just that I see the same "ceiling" on particular movements, over and over for nearly every dude. What's above the ceiling? I posit: substantial unrealized gainzz.
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Funny you mention it though, since I am playing around with the idea of having a dedicated arm session.DCR wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2024 6:19 pmI'm talking hypertrophy. When I reference increasing strength significantly on movements on which no one ever seems to, I don't mean for a 1RM. I'm talking in a bodybuilding rep range - say taking one's curls from 35s x10 to 60s x10. Whether by moving a movement up in one's training order, spending more time on dedicated programming for it, or other options not occurring to a bro such as myself, I think there's a lot of value to be had in doing whatever it takes to make those leaps happen. Perhaps it just means a rotating schedule of bodypart or movement prioritization, e.g. backburner-ing squats for a minute while running up leg curls to a ridiculous number and getting some jacked af hams out of it, before transitioning back.lheugh wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2024 7:38 amI suppose it depends on whether you're gunning for strength or hypertrophy. If you want to improve your strength on any given lift, then do it first. This principle extends to assistance-type and single-joint movements if that is where someone’s priorities lie. In other words, if your lying leg curl or curl strength is your primary focus, then it would behoove you to do it first. For hypertrophy, it doesn't appear to matter much. Simple axiom for hypertrophy exercise order: do the order you enjoy most, do the order that allows you to perform the most volume, and opting for the order which will facilitate adherence the best. This doesn't have to remain static though, it could rotate on any particular day, as long as you get in the desirable volume and tick off the goals for said training session.DCR wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2024 5:24 pmThis isn’t a comment on your particular training but more a thought that I’ve had a hard time shaking lately. Just taking this one movement, everyone, no matter what they squat/deadlift, no matter the particular machine, seems to work somewhere in this range of strength after a bit of work. I can’t count how many times I started around 70 or so lbs, worked up to 120 or so, and then moved on. What if we all prioritized it and worked up to 200 lbs?
Play that out with any number of movements. I mean how fucking many dudes are out there curling the 35 lb DBs? It’s endless. What if we made it a hard goal to curl the 60s and did whatever it took to make that happen, as we approach the powerlifts?
I'm being repetitive but it's just that I see the same "ceiling" on particular movements, over and over for nearly every dude. What's above the ceiling? I posit: substantial unrealized gainzz.
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Hitting the road tomorrow until the 10th/11th, but I'll still be training and logging. I need to bubble-wrap my cambered bar after training tomorrow since it's coming with.
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Belt Squats felt good today. Quads were toast after the 4th set.
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Great session today! I really want my own wide-grip MAG handle lol.
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Hip Abduction: 3(15kgx15)
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Machine Curl: 5(20kgx12)
Cable Curl: 25kgx15,11, 20kgx12,11
Hammer Shoulder Press: 3(70kgx12)
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Hammer Row: 4(90kgx12)
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Machine Curl: 5(20kgx12)
Cable Curl: 25kgx15,11, 20kgx12,11
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I managed to get a hold of the leg press today, thankfully avoiding a third consecutive belt squat session. But damn, did they eviscerate my adductors.... I also couldn't be fussed to do sit-ups so I decided to milk the curl machine while I'm here (total bro move and I'm cool with it).
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Hip Abduction: 3(20kgx15)
Standing Calf Raise: 4(76kgx12)
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Once again, Bro Post of the Week goes to you!lheugh wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2024 7:53 am I managed to get a hold of the leg press today, thankfully avoiding a third consecutive belt squat session. But damn, did they eviscerate my adductors.... I also couldn't be fussed to do sit-ups so I decided to milk the curl machine while I'm here (total bro move and I'm cool with it).
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DanCR wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2024 8:41 amOnce again, Bro Post of the Week goes to you!lheugh wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2024 7:53 am I managed to get a hold of the leg press today, thankfully avoiding a third consecutive belt squat session. But damn, did they eviscerate my adductors.... I also couldn't be fussed to do sit-ups so I decided to milk the curl machine while I'm here (total bro move and I'm cool with it).
Brotastic!