Weightlifting vs powerlifting

[cole]

I respect weightlifters more than powerlifters bc I think the lifts are more technically challenging and harder to learn. I also think in order to be good at weightlifting you need to have good genetics (explosiveness) where as powerlifters you just need consistency and practice. Anyone can improve their strength but it's near impossible to improve explosive ability. Or to say it a little different, your genetic ceiling for explosiveness is much tinier than for strength.

The events are more fun to watch as well. I know it's comparing apples to oranges, but I think the supers in WL are more athletic than the supers in PL ie: compare Ray Williams to Mart siem I watched Mart jump a flight of stairs in two leaps. No way could fat Ray Ray do that.

Anyway, there is no point to this thread. I wish I would have started WL in my teens, but being 34 now I feel like trying to learn the snatch would be a process and I will never be good at. Plus I have iron weights, how dafuq you supposed to throw them down !

[TimK]

You know who else thought having "good genetics" was "more respectable"?

[Insectoid]

Plus I have iron weights, how dafuq you supposed to throw them down !

Here's a gem:

[ape288]

I also think in order to be good at weightlifting you need to have good genetics (explosiveness) where as powerlifters you just need consistency and practice. Anyone can improve their strength but it's near impossible to improve explosive ability. Or to say it a little different, your genetic ceiling for explosiveness is much tinier than for strength.

I don't understand that notion that at all. Why on Earth would you have more respect for a group of people who are who they are simply because they were born that way and no one else could do what they do no matter how hard they work at it than for a group of people where any one of them could potentially become the best in the world simply by being the guy who works the hardest and is the most determined? What a flawed thought process.

Al that said, it's erroneous anyway. You'll never be a world record holder in powerlifting without ideal genetics anymore than you'll win a weightlifting medal at the Olympics without ideal genetics.

[cole]

Plus I have iron weights, how dafuq you supposed to throw them down !

Here's a gem:

Have fun with snatches!

[cole]

Al that said, it's erroneous anyway. You'll never be a world record holder in powerlifting without ideal genetics anymore than you'll win a weightlifting medal at the Olympics without ideal genetics.

Very true. Add: but genetics alone don't win gold medals. They gotta be the hardest working with determination also

[cole]

You know who else thought having "good genetics" was "more respectable"?

I admire elite genetics over average Joe genetics in competitive sports. Call me shallow.

[TimK]

You know who else thought having "good genetics" was "more respectable"?

I admire elite genetics over average Joe genetics in competitive sports. Call me shallow.

Your logic is muddled. Like Ape said, elite powerlifters are genetically gifted as well. So are elite endurance athletes for that matter. You just find the maximal development of one specific set of genetic characteristics to be more impressive... which is fine.

[Hamburgerfan]

I don't have any respect for olympic lifters because they lift lighter weights than powerlifters.

[DirtyRed]

I respect weightlifters more than powerlifters bc I think the lifts are more technically challenging and harder to learn.

DirtyRed has managed to learn them without hurting himself. They can't be that hard.

Powerlifting automatically wins because they have heavier weight ceilings (IPF has a 115 kg class before SHW) because they aren't (yet) beholden to the Soy Soldiers in the IOC that insist every "athlete" be some wilting vagina twirling a ribbon around or some stupid shit.

BOTH of them need to get rid of at least the lowest weight class. Probably the lowest two. If you're in one of them, it's either because you are 5'2'', and therefore not People, or because you're a noodlebuilt chickenshit that doesn't want to compete with people who actually lift.

Plus I have iron weights, how dafuq you supposed to throw them down !

Here's a gem:

Best video they ever made, and Rip needs to get his elbows up.

[SeanHerbison]

Powerlifting automatically wins because they have heavier weight ceilings (IPF has a 115 kg class before SHW)

120 kg. Used to be 125 kg, before the reworking of the weight classes.

[mbasic]

Regarding the iron plate problem video, I thought it was funny too, at first.

But then I realized, he is only using 135, and can likely deadlift 500+ as the time of this filming.
The other big guy can obviously power clean a lot more than 225.

Not bagging on their lifts, but this really doesn't help the guy working out in the globo gym,
who can barely deadlift 315x5, and is trying to powerclean 155-175, and do the reverse-drop-not-drop-free-fall-drop thing.

You have to kinda catch it on your thighs, but not fully stop it there, and then let go to floor controlled descent.
You can even crack your knees in the rack position a little, so it doesn't drop so far to your thighs/hips.
None of this is explained in the video.

Not to brag, but to cole's post: at age 40 I was powercleaning 205-225 for 3 three reps,
with octagonal iron plates, and having to do the not-drop/soft-drop, with a 32 mm bar with shit sleeves, at the Globo gym.
I started powersnatching too with this same setup, before we got bumpers (octo-iron-plates, 32 mm bar w/ sngrip, lol)

It can be done. But the video doesn't really explain how.

I think Rip was a little drunk and decided to make a video on a whim,
so I give him a pass I guess . . . .
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EDIT: re Rips low elbows, yeah, it likely still has full grip on the bar in the rack as a side effect of that shoulder/elbow immobility.
So for the guys who are racking a clean with finger tips/bar resting on deltoids like you are supposed to,
dropping to the thighs/floor, you are going to have to re-grab as its dropping in space . . . . little more tricky than
the reverse curl football power clean thingy.

[SeanHerbison]

I've done 315 or 335 with crappy plates and then lowered it down. It can be done, but it sucks. Get bumpers.

[Skid]

When I power cleaned I used iron weights over 250lbs and had no issues lowering them. Then again I never racked them like an Olympic lifter either. More like a getting ready to press rack. I never thought anything of it at the time. If I did have bumpers though I would drop the weights cause it looks like fun!

[cgeorg]

I've done 315 or 335 with crappy plates and then lowered it downzerchered 405, let it drop, then caught it on the bounce to re-rack. It can be done, but it sucks. Get bumpers.

ftfy

[mbasic]

I've done 315 or 335 with crappy plates and then lowered it downzerchered 405, let it drop, then caught it on the bounce to re-rack. It can be done, but it sucks. Get bumpers.

ftfy

I prefer "dribbled", but yeah I chuckled

[SeanHerbison]

I'm actually working on having bumper plates made of the same material they use for bouncy balls. I figure I'll be good for at least 475 then.

[Wilhelm]

LOL

[dw]

I wouldn't say that's his best work but I think Alan Thrall is genuinely talented as comic director/writer/editor/actor, regardless of the content.

[asdf]

I'm actually working on having bumper plates made of the same material they use for bouncy balls. I figure I'll be good for at least 475 then.

Those are called "Hi-Temps"