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Re: Helton's Log - HVLF Stuff

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Post by cole » Tue Oct 11, 2022 6:29 am

its hard to think of you as weighing 100kg like you did back in '20

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Post by JohnHelton » Tue Oct 11, 2022 7:41 am

cole wrote: Tue Oct 11, 2022 6:29 am its hard to think of you as weighing 100kg like you did back in '20
I was a bit beefy. My body can easily put on weight, and I would love to eat all the food. But I need to stay leaner for heart health.

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Post by alek » Tue Oct 11, 2022 12:40 pm

JohnHelton wrote: Tue Oct 11, 2022 5:57 am Tuesday, October 11, 2022
BW: 86.9 kg

Squat - 2
135 kg x 4 x 8
Every 2:45 to get done in 20 minutes. I think I am going to bump this out to 25 minutes. This kind of sucked.
What about doing 135 x 8 x 4?

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Post by JohnHelton » Tue Oct 11, 2022 12:54 pm

alek wrote: Tue Oct 11, 2022 12:40 pm
JohnHelton wrote: Tue Oct 11, 2022 5:57 am Tuesday, October 11, 2022
BW: 86.9 kg

Squat - 2
135 kg x 4 x 8
Every 2:45 to get done in 20 minutes. I think I am going to bump this out to 25 minutes. This kind of sucked.
What about doing 135 x 8 x 4?
I am running with Hanley's HVLF philosophy, keeping the intraset fatigue lower. I think coupling the same volume with more intraset fatigue would make this suck even worse, especially since I dislike squat reps greater than 3. The suck today was more related to just not having enough recovery time between sets. I think another 45 seconds rest per set will help a lot. I'm only limiting the rest so that I can get the workout done as fast as possible. However, another 5-10 minutes isn't a big deal.

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Post by alek » Tue Oct 11, 2022 2:55 pm

JohnHelton wrote: Tue Oct 11, 2022 12:54 pm I am running with Hanley's HVLF philosophy, keeping the intraset fatigue lower. I think coupling the same volume with more intraset fatigue would make this suck even worse, especially since I dislike squat reps greater than 3. The suck today was more related to just not having enough recovery time between sets. I think another 45 seconds rest per set will help a lot. I'm only limiting the rest so that I can get the workout done as fast as possible. However, another 5-10 minutes isn't a big deal.
Given how strong you are, I bet you could quickly adapt to the 8's, but I definitely understand disliking sets with more than a few reps.

What are you rpe's looking like for these workouts?

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Post by JohnHelton » Tue Oct 11, 2022 3:14 pm

alek wrote: Tue Oct 11, 2022 2:55 pm
JohnHelton wrote: Tue Oct 11, 2022 12:54 pm I am running with Hanley's HVLF philosophy, keeping the intraset fatigue lower. I think coupling the same volume with more intraset fatigue would make this suck even worse, especially since I dislike squat reps greater than 3. The suck today was more related to just not having enough recovery time between sets. I think another 45 seconds rest per set will help a lot. I'm only limiting the rest so that I can get the workout done as fast as possible. However, another 5-10 minutes isn't a big deal.
Given how strong you are, I bet you could quickly adapt to the 8's, but I definitely understand disliking sets with more than a few reps.

What are you rpe's looking like for these workouts?
RPEs aren't measurable at this point. I plan to push the weight such that they become measurable. I would like to be hitting @8 on the last set. I don't think I could ask more of myself than that in terms of stress. It is clear from messing with Hanley's advanced bench program that it is more demanding than anything I have ever done. Having sampled that, I took a step back in terms of the weight/intensity and have decided to walk the weight up, until it is pushing the max I can do while still hitting all the sets and reps. I have been wanting to do something like this for a long time. Now seems like as good a time as any.

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Post by alek » Tue Oct 11, 2022 3:21 pm

JohnHelton wrote: Tue Oct 11, 2022 3:14 pm Now seems like as good a time as any.
Hell yeah. I think you'll do well.

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Post by JohnHelton » Wed Oct 12, 2022 4:31 am

I am sore from yesterday's squats. 4320 kg / 9524 lbs total volume. It seems that my soreness is more related to total volume vs RPE/intensity. I'm hoping that my legs will adapt. I don't seem to have the same issues with bench. On Sept. 23 I squatted 120 kg x 4 x 10 and had crippling DOMS. Hopefully this soreness won't be as bad.

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Post by slowmotion » Wed Oct 12, 2022 4:48 am

You're jumping right into it, so it's only natural that you will be a little sore in the beginning, right?

Re 8 sets of 4 vs 4 sets of 8, I've read somewhere ( probably DDS ) that it is easier to recover from 8 sets of 4. That also agrees with my own experience.

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Post by JohnHelton » Wed Oct 12, 2022 6:19 am

slowmotion wrote: Wed Oct 12, 2022 4:48 am You're jumping right into it, so it's only natural that you will be a little sore in the beginning, right?

Re 8 sets of 4 vs 4 sets of 8, I've read somewhere ( probably DDS ) that it is easier to recover from 8 sets of 4. That also agrees with my own experience.
Yeah. I think this is normal soreness. I agree intuitively that 8s x 4r should be easier to recover from than 4s x 8r.

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Post by JohnHelton » Thu Oct 13, 2022 6:24 am

Thursday, October 13, 2022
BW: 86.9 kg

Bench Press - 1
in kg
120 x 1
127.5 x 1
135 x 1 @ 8.5
115 x 2 x 10
Last couple of set around @7. 2:10 interval for worksets. This was a decent workout considering I slept terribly last night.

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Post by JohnHelton » Fri Oct 14, 2022 6:18 am

Squat 531 - W1
Friday 14 Oct 2022, 07:14
BW: 86.9 kg

Squat (Barbell)
Set 1: 72.5 kg × 5 [Warm-up]
Set 2: 90 kg × 5 [Warm-up]
Set 3: 107.5 kg × 3 [Warm-up]
Set 4: 117.5 kg × 5
Set 5: 135 kg × 5
Set 6: 152.5 kg × 8 @ 9.0 (.31 m/s last rep)

Romanian Deadlift (Barbell)
Set 1: 80 kg × 10
Set 2: 80 kg × 10
Set 3: 80 kg × 10

Workout notes: TM - 180 kg. Decided to run 5/3/1 for squat and deadlift. Still focusing on HVLF for bench. I thought I was conservatively setting my e1RM for squat at 200 kg. Turns out that was exactly right. Pretty huge decrease in squat strength since this summer. That AMRAP set was hard.

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Post by JohnHelton » Sat Oct 15, 2022 8:38 am

Bench - 2
Saturday, Oct 15, 2022
BW: 86.9 kg

Bench Press (Barbell)
100 kg x 4 x 12
Notes: Every 2:10 to finish in 25 minutes. Need to bump weight to 72% next time from 70%.

Pull-ups
BW x 5,5,5,3,2
Notes: Pathetic.

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Post by JohnHelton » Mon Oct 17, 2022 4:48 am

Deload week. I realized that I haven't had one since the beginning of August. Plus, we are starting a remodel of the kitchen this week and adopted a new puppy yesterday.


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Post by slowmotion » Mon Oct 17, 2022 9:09 am

Nice little puppy!

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Post by MarkKO » Mon Oct 17, 2022 11:21 am

Those are some big paws...

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Post by JohnHelton » Mon Oct 17, 2022 12:06 pm

@slowmotion @MarkKO She is a nice mixed breed dog. Probably shepherd/lab mix. I'm guessing she will be 70+ lbs. Definitely has big paws.

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Post by JohnHelton » Tue Oct 18, 2022 4:30 am

Deload
Tuesday 18 Oct 2022, 06:06

Squat (Barbell)
Set 1: 70 kg × 5
Set 2: 87.5 kg × 5
Set 3: 105 kg × 5

Bench Press (Barbell)
Set 1: 52.5 kg × 5
Set 2: 65 kg × 5
Set 3: 77.5 kg × 5

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Post by alek » Tue Oct 18, 2022 9:33 am

JohnHelton wrote: Mon Oct 17, 2022 12:06 pm She is a nice mixed breed dog. Probably shepherd/lab mix. I'm guessing she will be 70+ lbs. Definitely has big paws.
We had a shepherd/rottweiler mix; he was a gentle giant. She's a cutie.

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