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Post by KyleSchuant » Fri Jan 11, 2019 4:49 pm

Sergio07 wrote: Thu Jan 10, 2019 1:06 pm I recently saw a post where Jordan says that getting at least 1.6gr per KG of bodyweight is enough to maintain and even get stronger.
The Australian Institute of Sport, who we would hope knows something about building muscle, says that for male early resistance training athletes, 1.5-1.7g of protein per kg of bodyweight is needed, and less for established ones.

Getting this amount does not require consuming vast quantities of meat, still less supplements. As an example day,

Breakfast:
2 eggs with
1 cup of chopped mushrooms
1 cup chopped spinach
tablespoon of parmesan for taste
2 tsp oil for cooking

Lunch:
Chicken 125g (about 1/2 a chicken breast)
1 cup chopped mixed vegies
2 tsp butter for flavour for the vegies
2 tsp oil for cooking

Snack:
Greek yoghurt, 4/5 cup or 200g
apple
banana

Dinner:
Salmon 125g
2 cups salad vegies (lettuce, tomato etc)
2 tsp oil for cooking
1 cup milk

All this would provide 132g of protein, which at 1.6g/kg is enough for an 83kg man (a 5'11" man at 83kg would be BMI25) or 98kg woman, or anyone smaller. It would also provide 117g fat and 111g carbs, and 17g fibre. In all 2,021kCal. It meets the government recommendations of 6 serves vegies, 2 serves fruit, 3 serves meat and 2.5 serves dairy for a 19-50yo man.

It does not include any grains, which the govt recommendations say we should have 6 serves a day of. An active person wanting to drop body fat might omit most of the grains and/or choose the lower-fat versions of the things like yoghurt, someone training very hard would include them and perhaps choose higher-fat things like more eggs, steak rather than chicken, etc.

It's a misconception that as a novice or intermediate lifter (or runner, etc) you need vast amounts of protein and must eat like a horse with intestinal worms. Much of the ideas we have about higher protein intake come from the users of anabolic steroids, whose bodies can make use of a lot more than the rest of us, and from supplement companies. Apart from that it's just lazy article writing. "This'll rile them up!"

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Re: Hitting daily protein intake

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Post by Sergio07 » Sat Jan 12, 2019 5:12 am

KyleSchuant wrote: Fri Jan 11, 2019 4:49 pm
Sergio07 wrote: Thu Jan 10, 2019 1:06 pm I recently saw a post where Jordan says that getting at least 1.6gr per KG of bodyweight is enough to maintain and even get stronger.
The Australian Institute of Sport, who we would hope knows something about building muscle, says that for male early resistance training athletes, 1.5-1.7g of protein per kg of bodyweight is needed, and less for established ones.

Getting this amount does not require consuming vast quantities of meat, still less supplements. As an example day,

Breakfast:
2 eggs with
1 cup of chopped mushrooms
1 cup chopped spinach
tablespoon of parmesan for taste
2 tsp oil for cooking

Lunch:
Chicken 125g (about 1/2 a chicken breast)
1 cup chopped mixed vegies
2 tsp butter for flavour for the vegies
2 tsp oil for cooking

Snack:
Greek yoghurt, 4/5 cup or 200g
apple
banana

Dinner:
Salmon 125g
2 cups salad vegies (lettuce, tomato etc)
2 tsp oil for cooking
1 cup milk

All this would provide 132g of protein, which at 1.6g/kg is enough for an 83kg man (a 5'11" man at 83kg would be BMI25) or 98kg woman, or anyone smaller. It would also provide 117g fat and 111g carbs, and 17g fibre. In all 2,021kCal. It meets the government recommendations of 6 serves vegies, 2 serves fruit, 3 serves meat and 2.5 serves dairy for a 19-50yo man.

It does not include any grains, which the govt recommendations say we should have 6 serves a day of. An active person wanting to drop body fat might omit most of the grains and/or choose the lower-fat versions of the things like yoghurt, someone training very hard would include them and perhaps choose higher-fat things like more eggs, steak rather than chicken, etc.

It's a misconception that as a novice or intermediate lifter (or runner, etc) you need vast amounts of protein and must eat like a horse with intestinal worms. Much of the ideas we have about higher protein intake come from the users of anabolic steroids, whose bodies can make use of a lot more than the rest of us, and from supplement companies. Apart from that it's just lazy article writing. "This'll rile them up!"
Thanks for the info, my daily diet is fairly similar as the one you put, however I eat a lot of more carbs and less fats, I've been eating 1gr/lb of BW of protein since a long time ago but now that you put the diet written is easier for me to imagine how much protein I would need to consume without counting calories. I'll try to go with that method of protion control. Thanks man.

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Post by KyleSchuant » Sat Jan 12, 2019 3:29 pm

It can be helpful to weigh food and calculate all the numbers for a week or two to get an idea of where you are and what to fiddle with.

But basically, if every meal has a serve of protein (palm-sized piece of meat or fish, or 2 eggs) and 2 serves of fruit or vegetables (piece of fruit, or a cup chopped or 2 cups loose vegetables), you'll be getting the right amount of nutrition - protein, vitamins and minerals. A smaller sedentary person would have 3 meals a day, a larger active person 4. You add in the starchy stuff according to your activity level and goals.

If you're big and/or pushing the weights really hard you may need more protein in there. This isn't advice for the guy squatting 300kg.

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Post by Sergio07 » Sat Jan 12, 2019 3:43 pm

KyleSchuant wrote: Sat Jan 12, 2019 3:29 pm It can be helpful to weigh food and calculate all the numbers for a week or two to get an idea of where you are and what to fiddle with.

But basically, if every meal has a serve of protein (palm-sized piece of meat or fish, or 2 eggs) and 2 serves of fruit or vegetables (piece of fruit, or a cup chopped or 2 cups loose vegetables), you'll be getting the right amount of nutrition - protein, vitamins and minerals. A smaller sedentary person would have 3 meals a day, a larger active person 4. You add in the starchy stuff according to your activity level and goals.

If you're big and/or pushing the weights really hard you may need more protein in there. This isn't advice for the guy squatting 300kg.
Thanks I find useful this tips, I'll start to implement them into my diet and see how it goes.

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Post by Allentown » Wed Jan 16, 2019 8:27 am

Why not just put down 2 scoops of whey at the end of the day? Seems like a pretty simple solution...

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Post by Sergio07 » Wed Jan 16, 2019 9:22 am

Allentown wrote: Wed Jan 16, 2019 8:27 am Why not just put down 2 scoops of whey at the end of the day? Seems like a pretty simple solution...
Simple but it's not something I'd like to do, I prefer to get most of my calories/macros from whole foods, not supplements, later I can worry about those.

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Post by Allentown » Wed Jan 16, 2019 10:01 am

Why not just put down 2 cups of greek yogurt at the end of the day? Seems like a pretty simple solution...

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Post by GlasgowJock » Wed Jan 16, 2019 12:17 pm

Sergio07 wrote: Wed Jan 16, 2019 9:22 am Simple but it's not something I'd like to do, I prefer to get most of my calories/macros from whole foods, not supplements, later I can worry about those.
I never understood this perspective. Two scoops of whey in full fat milk/ coconut milk/ cream is whole food. It was good enough for Reg Park and Steve Reeves. It's no different to bingeing on a tub of Skyr/ Greek yoghurt (other than the fats in the former maintaining satiety/ prolonging gastric emptying or whatever).

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Post by KyleSchuant » Wed Jan 16, 2019 2:20 pm

No, it's not the same. Whey powder has protein and some of the calcium, but has lost most or all of the other nutrients compared to milk. And it is also believed that yoghurt bacteria contribute to healthy gut function.

Protein powder isn't harmful except perhaps to your wallet. But whole foods offer more than just protein and calories, and we need those other things. Protein powder is most useful for

1. those who are in caloric deficit for weight loss but want to make sure they get enough protein to encourage their body to keep the most possible lean mass, and
2. skinny people who are physically not used to eating a lot of food, and
3. those who want to gain weight in a hurry, but want to minimise fat gain vs lean mass gain; if they're not in a hurry they can do this slowly with careful selection of whole foods.

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Post by GlasgowJock » Wed Jan 16, 2019 2:36 pm

1) Most protein powders are fortified with micronutrients.
2) Commercial yoghurt isn't fermented to render it conducive to gut function. There are no co-enzymes etc that augment digestion compared to the rest of the pasteurised homogenised garbage we ingest unless you're getting your dairy from specialists or introduce and culture the bacteria yourself to improve and maintain healthy gut flora.

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Post by KyleSchuant » Wed Jan 16, 2019 3:24 pm

Okay, you go ahead and live on protein powder and vitamin pills, let us know how you go. I'll follow the Australian dietary guidelines.

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Post by TimK » Wed Jan 16, 2019 3:27 pm

KyleSchuant wrote: Wed Jan 16, 2019 3:24 pm Okay, you go ahead and live on protein powder and vitamin pills, let us know how you go. I'll follow the Australian dietary guidelines.
LOL.

Who here is advocating eating nothing but whey? It's entirely possible to get 50% or more of your daily protein intake from whey while still eating a "normal" diet with plenty of whole foods.

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Post by ChasingCurls69 » Wed Jan 16, 2019 11:27 pm

It'd be very hard to not get enough micronutrients while living in a first world country, even getting 100g of protein from whey per day and while consuming mostly fast food. @KyleSchuant what specific micronutrients are in milk but missing from whey and not likely to be found in other foods eaten? I probably wouldn't eat 132g of protein as an 83kg man if I were cutting or bulking, although it is likely enough to not lose muscle while eating at maintenance.

Also whey is generally cheaper than any other source of protein per gram of protein, although you have to be able to buy a whole tub at once and it is not necessarily cheaper per calorie.

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Post by Allentown » Thu Jan 17, 2019 6:50 am

My suggestion was, for someone disinclined to measure anything and worried they didn't get enough protein at the restaurant for dinner, to chug a scoop or two of whey in whatever fluid when you get home. Super cheap, easy, no reason not to do it. Too close to bed and you might have to wake up to pee, I guess.

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Post by Wilhelm » Thu Jan 17, 2019 7:16 am

KyleSchuant wrote: Wed Jan 16, 2019 3:24 pm Okay, you go ahead and live on protein powder and vitamin pills, let us know how you go.
^This is basically what i do. How am i going? I'm fucking kicking ass.
By an extremely large margin, whey isolate is my primary protein source.

Some avocados, chard and brocolli three days a week.
Brocolli in the blender with mustard powder to increase the sulforaphane content.
Usually about 72 grams red chard (also in blender) that's 2 cups.
Free range eggs, but not more than two times a week.
Kippers. Often. maybe three times a week.
Salty water every day (whey isolate actually has good potassium content)
Magnesium glycinate and Vitamin D3, and a really nice multivitamin with excellent trace minerals.
K2 a couple of times a week usually. I need to pick some of this up. Been a while.
Raw cacao powder in each of three shakes/meals a day.
Chicken about once a week.
A 4 ounce patty of ground beef with white sharp cheddar, maybe every other or even third week. Just for a treat.

Lots of MCT oil, and i'll slam a tableespoon of peanut butter and a tablespoon of coconut oil to boost my calories
Light cream in my coffee and shakes. MCT oil and coconut oil in my coffee (2 large cups every morning)


I'm having good luck with my training.
I buy my whey isolate in 20 kilo bags.
Oh, ground flax seed too. in one or two of my shakes everyday. Kim chee.

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Post by GlasgowJock » Thu Jan 17, 2019 12:03 pm

Wilhelm wrote: Thu Jan 17, 2019 7:16 am
^This is basically what i do. How am i going? I'm fucking kicking ass.
By an extremely large margin, whey isolate is my primary protein source.

Lots of MCT oil, and i'll slam a tableespoon of peanut butter and a tablespoon of coconut oil to boost my calories
Light cream in my coffee and shakes. MCT oil and coconut oil in my coffee (2 large cups every morning)

Oh, ground flax seed too. in one or two of my shakes everyday. Kim chee.
This is similar to myself only I'm covering my deficiencies with Huel powder (desiccated oats, rice protein, pea protein, sunflower, flaxseed and coconut MCTs fortified with micronutrients).

Excellent compliance and ease tracking macros/ calories.

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Post by Sergio07 » Thu Jan 17, 2019 1:44 pm

I understand that whey is technically food, but for me, for ME, I rather have 25gr of protein from meat/yogurt/beans (?) than from whey. The way I see it is that whey (or protein powders) just serve the purpose of supplement, before thinking on supplementing my diet, I need to make sure to have a good diet first, based on mostly nutritious foods, like fruits, vegetables, etc.
But don't get me wrong, I don't have anything against protein powder, it's useful and convenient in some ocassions.

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Post by Wilhelm » Thu Jan 17, 2019 2:38 pm

GlasgowJock wrote: Thu Jan 17, 2019 12:03 pm
Wilhelm wrote: Thu Jan 17, 2019 7:16 am
^This is basically what i do. How am i going? I'm fucking kicking ass.
By an extremely large margin, whey isolate is my primary protein source.

Lots of MCT oil, and i'll slam a tableespoon of peanut butter and a tablespoon of coconut oil to boost my calories
Light cream in my coffee and shakes. MCT oil and coconut oil in my coffee (2 large cups every morning)

Oh, ground flax seed too. in one or two of my shakes everyday. Kim chee.
This is similar to myself only I'm covering my deficiencies with Huel powder (desiccated oats, rice protein, pea protein, sunflower, flaxseed and coconut MCTs fortified with micronutrients).

Excellent compliance and ease tracking macros/ calories.
Being Scottish, i just assume you are legally required to use oats in one form or another. :D

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Post by damufunman » Thu Jan 17, 2019 5:15 pm

Sergio07 wrote: Thu Jan 17, 2019 1:44 pm I understand that whey is technically food, but for me, for ME, I rather have 25gr of protein from meat/yogurt/beans (?) than from whey. The way I see it is that whey (or protein powders) just serve the purpose of supplement, before thinking on supplementing my diet, I need to make sure to have a good diet first, based on mostly nutritious foods, like fruits, vegetables, etc.
But don't get me wrong, I don't have anything against protein powder, it's useful and convenient in some ocassions.
Stick with meat or yogurt, pretty sure beans aren't as high a quality protein source.

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Post by Allentown » Fri Jan 18, 2019 5:28 am

So you
Sergio07 wrote: Tue Jan 08, 2019 10:15 am want to know how can one make sure of hitting the daily protein intake without counting calories, im kinda tired of counting and want to stop for some time and see how it goes
but it's really
Sergio07 wrote: Tue Jan 08, 2019 12:12 pm mostly when going out to eat actually
So you are looking for advice on how to get enough protein, without checking how much protein you are getting, on days when you go out to eat. But you think protein is just a supplement.

Why not just order a grilled chicken breast to come on the side of your meal?
Is this person serious? It's hard to tell.

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