Police Reform Thread

[mouse]

If only someone had told the cops there was a book about having two daddies small amount of marijuana in the room...

If only someone had told the cops there was a book about having two daddies dog in the room...

[Allentown]

If only someone had told the cops there was a book about having two daddies small amount of marijuana in the room... peaceful protest for cops to stop killing black people

[mbasic]

The Uvalde shooting police response ...

Yeah, watching a replay of the hearing now.

I guess there are some YT "personalities" who were ex-SWAT, and say the active shooter doctrine is: even if you are the lone office on scene with no back up, you are to immediately engage the shooter and/or "die trying" to stop him. Don't know if this is training conveyed down to street-cops level .... the police chief was the first onsite (by himself).

[oldguy]

The Uvalde shooting police response ...

Yeah, watching a replay of the hearing now.

I guess there are some YT "personalities" who were ex-SWAT, and say the active shooter doctrine is: even if you are the lone office on scene with no back up, you are to immediately engage the shooter and/or "die trying" to stop him. Don't know if this is training conveyed down to street-cops level .... the police chief was the first onsite (by himself).

You obviously don't know shit. They are ALWAYS HEROES , our men in blue ( don't think there were any females this time) . What are you - some sort of commie?

[aurelius]

I guess there are some YT "personalities" who were ex-SWAT, and say the active shooter doctrine is: even if you are the lone office on scene with no back up, you are to immediately engage the shooter and/or "die trying" to stop him. Don't know if this is training conveyed down to street-cops level .... the police chief was the first onsite (by himself).

The school ISD police (including the chief) participated in active shooter training a few weeks before this incident.

[TimF]

The Uvalde shooting police response just keeps getting worse. Within 3 minutes of the shooter entering the building there were officers outside the classroom with rifles, at least one ballistic shield, and a breaching tool. The doors to the classrooms could only be secured from the outside and the shooter did not have a key. The doors to the classrooms were unlocked. The police never tried to open them. This was all captured on school surveillance video in the hallway. And yes, the officers in the hallway stood outside while gun shots were heard in the classroom.

Texas DPS commander:

“One hour, 14 minutes and 8 seconds,” said McCraw. “That's how long the children waited and the teachers waited in room 111 to be rescued. And while they waited, the on-scene commander waited for radio and rifles. And he waited for shields, and he waited for SWAT. Lastly, he waited for a key that was never needed.”

“The only thing stopping a hallway of dedicated officers from entering room 111 and 112 was the on-scene commander, who decided to place the lives of officers before the lives of children,” McCraw said.

Officer husband of slain Uvalde teacher tried to save her. His gun was taken away.

“We got an officer, Officer Ruiz, whose wife had called him and said she (had) been shot and she’s dying,” McCraw said in video shared by PBS "News Hour." “What happened to him as he tried to move forward into the hallway, he was detained and they took his gun away from him and escorted him off the scene.”

[Hiphopapotamus]

The Uvalde shooting police response just keeps getting worse. Within 3 minutes of the shooter entering the building there were officers outside the classroom with rifles, at least one ballistic shield, and a breaching tool. The doors to the classrooms could only be secured from the outside and the shooter did not have a key. The doors to the classrooms were unlocked. The police never tried to open them. This was all captured on school surveillance video in the hallway. And yes, the officers in the hallway stood outside while gun shots were heard in the classroom.

Texas DPS commander:

“One hour, 14 minutes and 8 seconds,” said McCraw. “That's how long the children waited and the teachers waited in room 111 to be rescued. And while they waited, the on-scene commander waited for radio and rifles. And he waited for shields, and he waited for SWAT. Lastly, he waited for a key that was never needed.”

“The only thing stopping a hallway of dedicated officers from entering room 111 and 112 was the on-scene commander, who decided to place the lives of officers before the lives of children,” McCraw said.

Yeah, but did they have the Car? You can't expect them to go in there without the Car!

[Philbert]

The Uvalde shooting police response ...

Yeah, watching a replay of the hearing now.

I guess there are some YT "personalities" who were ex-SWAT, and say the active shooter doctrine is: even if you are the lone office on scene with no back up, you are to immediately engage the shooter and/or "die trying" to stop him. Don't know if this is training conveyed down to street-cops level .... the police chief was the first onsite (by himself).

I have never talked to anyone with more than a passing interest in police procedure who was not aware that this is universal police doctrine in response to the events of Colombine and 9/11/01. The idea that any police officer on duty, much less one with command responsibility, is unaware of this nationwide standard in 2022 is ludicrous. The commander who was on site should be shot, and should have been forcibly relieved of command during the incident.

[cgeorg]

The Uvalde shooting police response ...

Yeah, watching a replay of the hearing now.

I guess there are some YT "personalities" who were ex-SWAT, and say the active shooter doctrine is: even if you are the lone office on scene with no back up, you are to immediately engage the shooter and/or "die trying" to stop him. Don't know if this is training conveyed down to street-cops level .... the police chief was the first onsite (by himself).

I have never talked to anyone with more than a passing interest in police procedure who was not aware that this is universal police doctrine in response to the events of Colombine and 9/11/01. The idea that any police officer on duty, much less one with command responsibility, is unaware of this nationwide standard in 2022 is ludicrous. The commander who was on site should be shot, and should have been forcibly relieved of command during the incident.

It may be doctrine, but always remember that unless:

a) you ask the police for help, and
b) the police say they will help you, and
c) the police have 100% certainty that you will be harmed if they don't help you, and
d) you change your actions because you now expect the police will help you,

the police don't have to do shit.

[Allentown]

Shoot 60 rounds at unarmed black man
Apprehend white mass shooter

[oldguy]

Shoot 60 rounds at unarmed black man
Apprehend white mass shooter

" do me a favor..." ( cop to perp)

[mouse]

Remember when seconds matter, cops are only *checks notes* roughly an hour and a half away...

https://nypost.com/2022/07/13/full-vide ... -released/

[mbasic]

Remember when seconds matter, cops are only *checks notes* roughly an hour and a half away...

https://nypost.com/2022/07/13/full-vide ... -released/

someone should fund a life size bronze iwo-jima-like statue to commemorate these brave civil servants.

one cop doodling on his cell phone, another picking his nose, the 3rd .... IDK, maybe looking down the barrel of his AR15 with one eye closed (make that one look like Ralph from the simspons or something).

place it in the sludge drying ponds at the local wastewater treatment plant.

one of you more educated types reading this ....come up with something snarky in Latin for me.

[mouse]

Dude for real if I was a Uvalde cop I'd resign right now, move out of town, and maybe never be seen in public again...

[mbasic]

Dude for real if I was a Uvalde cop I'd resign right now, move out of town, and maybe never be seen in public again...

yeah, was thinking the same thing. What's weird, is its just not one guy ..... you got about 6 to 12 people that should be doing this.

It would seem a whole new career path is in order, as having down " Uvalde '22 " on your resume aint going to get you another job in LE.

[mouse]

Dude for real if I was a Uvalde cop I'd resign right now, move out of town, and maybe never be seen in public again...

yeah, was thinking the same thing. What's weird, is its just not one guy ..... you got about 6 to 12 people that should be doing this.

It would seem a whole new career path is in order, as having down " Uvalde '22 " on your resume aint going to get you another job in LE.

6-12?

The entire damn roster should resign.

The dude who cleans the bathroom at the station should probably resign just to be safe.

[brkriete]

Another forum I'm in had a "can't believe the cops didn't do anything" thread going and some guy who is a Texas State Trooper and "knows the guy doing the investigation" was telling everyone not to believe what the media was saying, don't make snap judgments about the officers involved, etc etc. Then it got pretty personal and shut down which is too bad because I'd love to see what the new argument is for how awful the media is and why we should all still be grateful for the chance to lick boots.

[aurelius]

Another forum I'm in had a "can't believe the cops didn't do anything" thread going and some guy who is a Texas State Trooper and "knows the guy doing the investigation" was telling everyone not to believe what the media was saying, don't make snap judgments about the officers involved, etc etc. Then it got pretty personal and shut down which is too bad because I'd love to see what the new argument is for how awful the media is and why we should all still be grateful for the chance to lick boots.

We have video of the cowards standing outside the classrooms in a hallway as children bled out. Not a lot to figure out here.

I'm 100 sure there were 'chain of command' issues. Kind of happens when the highest ranking member of the jurisdiction chooses not to have a radio on them so they can be 'faster'.

Let's ignore that the school chief of police is a fucking fat ass that couldn't chase down an octogenarian using a walker with or without a radio. Side note: most of the local cops appeared a good 50 pounds overweight.

That does not excuse the officers in the hallway. Officers are empowered to make tactical decisions on the ground and do so ALL THE TIME. They heard continued gun shots in the room. One of their wives texted them from inside the room. They knew there were people alive. They chose to sit out in the hallway. It took Federal law enforcement arriving and taking the lead. The local clowns should all be fired and if I was a district attorney with any jurisdiction I would find something criminal to charge them with. How about loitering for a start.

[hector]

Dude for real if I was a Uvalde cop I'd resign right now, move out of town, and maybe never be seen in public again...

yeah, was thinking the same thing. What's weird, is its just not one guy ..... you got about 6 to 12 people that should be doing this.

It would seem a whole new career path is in order, as having down " Uvalde '22 " on your resume aint going to get you another job in LE.

I'm skeptical. Threshold for terrible cops not being able to get jobs as terrible cops elsewhere remains difficult to imagine.

[Hardartery]

Dude for real if I was a Uvalde cop I'd resign right now, move out of town, and maybe never be seen in public again...

yeah, was thinking the same thing. What's weird, is its just not one guy ..... you got about 6 to 12 people that should be doing this.

It would seem a whole new career path is in order, as having down " Uvalde '22 " on your resume aint going to get you another job in LE.

6-12?

The entire damn roster should resign.

The dude who cleans the bathroom at the station should probably resign just to be safe.

Resigning would seem the bare minimum thing to do, out of shame if nothing else. Maybe a name change to go with the career change. They are an embarrassment to men in general, and anyone who identifies as a man. I wouldn't want one of these guys working with me if I was in LE, I already know they're all cowards and you can't count on them.