Police Reform Thread

[Renascent]

Dude for real if I was a Uvalde cop I'd resign right now, move out of town, and maybe never be seen in public again...

yeah, was thinking the same thing. What's weird, is its just not one guy ..... you got about 6 to 12 people that should be doing this.

It would seem a whole new career path is in order, as having down " Uvalde '22 " on your resume aint going to get you another job in LE.

I'm skeptical. Threshold for terrible cops not being able to get jobs as terrible cops elsewhere remains difficult to imagine.

This.

I gather that, as a community, Uvalde is/was small enough that the local police force had neither the spoons nor the training to deal with such a situation anyway. Seems like the perfect place to get a job as an LEO with the expectation of not doing much beyond issuing a speeding ticket or enforcing a noise ordinance against someone you might even know, on occasion.

There's a strong chance the majority of them will be fine after the pageant is over. I wouldn't be shocked if they have the sympathies of LEOs somewhere else on the map, and most likely in places with a similarly low bar for job expectations.

The "hero" narrative was never anything more than a huge "Shut the fuck up!" for naysayers of the police. Even it will survive this.

[Allentown]

Always remember, twitter shows people more BLM posts than Back The Blue posts.

But for real, though, we know that evidence to the contrary and particularly any perceived "attacks" from the "opposition" will cause the Blue Lives people to double down on their positions and views. This won't move the needle, at all. (And to both-sides it, this happens across pretty much all beliefs).

[chrisd]

Remember when seconds matter, cops are only *checks notes* roughly an hour and a half away...

https://nypost.com/2022/07/13/full-vide ... -released/

someone should fund a life size bronze iwo-jima-like statue to commemorate these brave civil servants.

one cop doodling on his cell phone, another picking his nose, the 3rd .... IDK, maybe looking down the barrel of his AR15 with one eye closed (make that one look like Ralph from the simspons or something).

place it in the sludge drying ponds at the local wastewater treatment plant.

one of you more educated types reading this ....come up with something snarky in Latin for me.

Hostes novimus et hostes sumus

or Veni Vidi Vacillavi

[mbasic]

Dude for real if I was a Uvalde cop I'd resign right now, move out of town, and maybe never be seen in public again...

yeah, was thinking the same thing. What's weird, is its just not one guy ..... you got about 6 to 12 people that should be doing this.

It would seem a whole new career path is in order, as having down " Uvalde '22 " on your resume aint going to get you another job in LE.

I'm skeptical. Threshold for terrible cops not being able to get jobs as terrible cops elsewhere remains difficult to imagine.

Infamous cops though? Let let kids and teachers die. It was in the news

[aurelius]

I gather that, as a community, Uvalde is/was small enough that the local police force had neither the spoons nor the training to deal with such a situation anyway.

Uvalde ISD had the resources to send the school police chief and all of his stooges to active shooter training 2-3 weeks before the incident.

[Renascent]

I gather that, as a community, Uvalde is/was small enough that the local police force had neither the spoons nor the training to deal with such a situation anyway.

Uvalde ISD had the resources to send the school police chief and all of his stooges to active shooter training 2-3 weeks before the incident.

Not exactly what I meant.

Don't get me wrong; I'm not trying to make excuses for their police department's response, but I don't know that that one time they took active shooter training necessarily translated into expertise and gusto. For a police force in a smallish, sleepy town? Yeah, I don't think they expected to ever actually need to use the training.

A police force in a larger, metropolitan area? San Antonio? Dallas? Sure. I'd honestly expect a more coordinated response, if only because cops in those areas have likely been exposed to more violent situations with high stakes (though not necessarily active shooter situations).

Again, I suspect Uvalde's one of those places where, as a newly minted LEO, you can mostly expect to sit on your ass and only draw your gun to show off how cool it is to kids in person or to persuade (with a wink and a nudge) a potential sexual partner to let you tag along when the bar finally closes on a Friday night.

And does Uvalde have the resources to reinforce active shooter training?

Again, not excusing them at all. People take diversity training and/or sexual harassment training all the time. Same for gun safety classes. Do such training classes always translate to "gains," so to speak, in lieu of lived experience?

[hector]

Dude for real if I was a Uvalde cop I'd resign right now, move out of town, and maybe never be seen in public again...

yeah, was thinking the same thing. What's weird, is its just not one guy ..... you got about 6 to 12 people that should be doing this.

It would seem a whole new career path is in order, as having down " Uvalde '22 " on your resume aint going to get you another job in LE.

I'm skeptical. Threshold for terrible cops not being able to get jobs as terrible cops elsewhere remains difficult to imagine.

Infamous cops though? Let let kids and teachers die. It was in the news

I think so.
I dont know the counter-narrative that explains how the cops are misunderstood, were actually right, shit happens, etc.
But I'd bet that counter-narrative exists among some percent of police. And some percent of those chiefs would hire the Uvalde cops.
Maybe I'm too cynical.
A year from now maybe we can see how many of the Uvalde cops are still cops.

[Allentown]

[mbasic]

Dude for real if I was a Uvalde cop I'd resign right now, move out of town, and maybe never be seen in public again...

yeah, was thinking the same thing. What's weird, is its just not one guy ..... you got about 6 to 12 people that should be doing this.

It would seem a whole new career path is in order, as having down " Uvalde '22 " on your resume aint going to get you another job in LE.

I'm skeptical. Threshold for terrible cops not being able to get jobs as terrible cops elsewhere remains difficult to imagine.

Infamous cops though? Let let kids and teachers die. It was in the news

I think so.
I dont know the counter-narrative that explains how the cops are misunderstood, were actually right, shit happens, etc.
But I'd bet that counter-narrative exists among some percent of police. And some percent of those chiefs would hire the Uvalde cops.
Maybe I'm too cynical.
A year from now maybe we can see how many of the Uvalde cops are still cops.

Not to belabor this .... but yeah, I cop a getting let go from one department for repeated excess force complaints, or misuse of deadly force, violating a person's civil rights, etc. ....different LE depts. might have sympathetic views on whos a criminal, civilians rights, and shit like that.

HERE, we have a bunch of cops would NOT pull the trigger (figuratively and literally) on storming that classroom .... with little kids and teachers inside ....when they had overwhelming numbers, training, firearms, ballistic shields, etc.

1- If you were LE, would you want any of these guys for a partner and/or "backup" if shit hit the fan.

2- A lot of negative press and/or political fall out for rehiring these smucks. (police chief, sheriff, etc.)

[mbasic]

Armed civilian ... which I assume means, plain clothes dude (no vest, no AR15, no radio, no "keys to classroom", sans flash-bang-grenades, tear gas, etc.) with only a CC pistol .... stops mass shooter with rifle.


https://www.yahoo.com/news/2-killed-sho ... 21029.html

[broseph]

[mbasic]

Cop shots partner cop in leg trying to shoot angry dog that cops should've secured before wandering around in the dark ...



bonus points for:
- shirtless white people
- confederate flag
- "yer", "git", "oh gawd" dialect


Also curious is the officer who shot gets put on (paid) administrative leave like a regular cop-shoots-civilian-shooting?

[Hiphopapotamus]

Cop shots partner cop in leg trying to shoot angry dog that cops should've secured before wandering around in the dark ...



bonus points for:
- shirtless white people
- confederate flag
- "yer", "git", "oh gawd" dialect


Also curious is the officer who shot gets put on (paid) administrative leave like a regular cop-shoots-civilian-shooting?

[Allentown]

[Renascent]

Is this the story? Reddit moderator(s) deleted the post.

[Allentown]

Is this the story? Reddit moderator(s) deleted the post.

It is.

[Renascent]

Heh. Well, I'll be damned.

Federal Officials Charge Four Officers in Breonna Taylor Raid

[mikeylikey]

Heh. Well, I'll be damned.

Federal Officials Charge Four Officers in Breonna Taylor Raid

Good. There needs to be more scrutiny of the bad (and in this case downright criminal) decisions that lead up to unnecessary police shootings.

Prosecuting split-second reactions in life or death situations is not the way to solve the problem. The only lasting progress comes from not having so many of those situations in the first place.

[Renascent]

The only lasting progress comes from not having so many of those situations in the first place.

Fixed.

The profession itself seems to attract a certain type of subscriber, so there will always be these situations, to varying degrees.

But honestly, I'm mildly shocked that they're being charged at all.

[mbasic]

UPDATE: Tucson police officer fired after fatally shooting armed man in mobility scooter

NiNe mONtHs LaTEr ....

https://www.kold.com/2022/08/25/former- ... ntent=kold

Former Tucson police officer Ryan Remington to face manslaughter charge for shooting armed suspect nine times