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Re: That’s was no suicide...

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Post by Bcharles123 » Sun Aug 18, 2019 1:09 pm

hsilman wrote: Fri Aug 16, 2019 6:24 pm

Assuming you aren't just messing with me, yeah I hope saying racist things sometimes doesn't mean you can never be a good person. I've definitely fucked up in my time, though I frankly don't know what you're talking about.

I didn't say I wasn't concerned or that bad shit doesn't happen, but I'm not sure what I'm supposed to do about it. My level of concern is generally low to moderate at best.
Of course I’m messing with you.

This is interesting:

Amid the Kale and Corn, Fears of White Supremacy at the Farmers’ Market
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/18/us/i ... -ios-share

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Post by hsilman » Mon Aug 19, 2019 3:29 am

Bcharles123 wrote: Sun Aug 18, 2019 1:09 pm Of course I’m messing with you.

This is interesting:

Amid the Kale and Corn, Fears of White Supremacy at the Farmers’ Market
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/18/us/i ... -ios-share
Yeah, I mean the farmers in question are definitely some type of white supremacist. I don't know how "serious" it is, but that part is definitely true just based on their reaction to the accusation.

Sounds like they feel threatened by groups of people standing around telling them their kind isn't welcome there. I think that's roughly the correct response if you are virulently opposed to their viewpoints. Public shame. I don't know what literally is happening when these people show up, so I can't judge if it crosses a line, but a group standing in front protesting seems about right. I don't think they should be banned from participating. (Obviously, there is the irony, but it's a false equivalence to say for example, the same thing happening to a Jewish farmer by a bunch of local white people would be the same. Power dynamics matter.)

Also, their other farmer friends illustrate an issue with "enlightened centrism". If you aren't actively engaging with them and just say "well I don't agree, but they seem nice enough" then you aren't doing anything to address the issue, which is a form of tacit support. Of course it's a difficult issue, and I'm not judging them as bad people for not engaging or anything, but it does support the Schooner Creek couple in their views.

I think we may find common ground here by saying that if you say that anyone who holds a view you disagree with is automatically in a bucket of "horrible people" ( a la 2016 "deplorables that are unreachable") you do a disservice to yourself and to them. Even if you think it's probably true, expressing that view doesn't do anything to address the issue. Which again, is easier and completely understandable.

Anyway, back on topic, the level of general incompetence at the MCU is not at all surprising. I work just a block from it and have lots of interactions with those both in the system and who work there. What is surprising and at best vaguely conspiratorial is that extra attention wasn't paid to one of the most high profile detainees in recent memory. I don't think they did anything but give him the opportunity to kill himself, and I can't figure out how without it being on purpose.

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Post by Bcharles123 » Tue Nov 19, 2019 6:41 am

Two guards arrested today.

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Post by mgil » Tue Nov 19, 2019 6:50 am

Probably some more suicide to follow. Suicide from hand grenade thrown from 10 meters, suicide from .50cal at 300 meters, etc. The usual methods.

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Post by mouse » Tue Nov 19, 2019 7:17 am

Bcharles123 wrote: Tue Nov 19, 2019 6:41 am Two guards arrested today.
RIP

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Post by Bcharles123 » Tue Nov 19, 2019 9:17 am

mouse wrote: Tue Nov 19, 2019 7:17 am
Bcharles123 wrote: Tue Nov 19, 2019 6:41 am Two guards arrested today.
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Maybe. Maybe they’re being squeezed to give them a name. “Tell us who paid you to look the other way, and will drop the charges”. Of course the first guy to squeal gets the the deal. The other guy goes to jail.

I bet it was Tom Hagen.

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Post by Hiphopapotamus » Tue Nov 19, 2019 9:34 am

Bcharles123 wrote: Tue Nov 19, 2019 9:17 am
mouse wrote: Tue Nov 19, 2019 7:17 am
Bcharles123 wrote: Tue Nov 19, 2019 6:41 am Two guards arrested today.
RIP
Maybe. Maybe they’re being squeezed to give them a name. “Tell us who paid you to look the other way, and will drop the charges”. Of course the first guy to squeal gets the the deal. The other guy goes to jail.

I bet it was Tom Hagen.
He's just not a war-time consigliere.

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Post by aurelius » Tue Nov 19, 2019 9:46 am

Anybody hear about the Prince Andrew's interview? Like holy shit...doesn't he have full time handlers? How in the world did that interview even happen?

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Post by omaniphil » Tue Nov 19, 2019 9:48 am

I watched some clips of it. It was a trainwreck. The guy is deluded though, because reportedly, after the interview, he went to the Queen to let her know that it went very well.

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Post by TimK » Tue Nov 19, 2019 10:12 am

Bcharles123 wrote: Tue Nov 19, 2019 9:17 am
mouse wrote: Tue Nov 19, 2019 7:17 am
Bcharles123 wrote: Tue Nov 19, 2019 6:41 am Two guards arrested today.
RIP
Maybe. Maybe they’re being squeezed to give them a name. “Tell us who paid you to look the other way, and will drop the charges”. Of course the first guy to squeal gets the deal his family brutally murdered.
FTFY

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Post by DirtyRed » Tue Nov 19, 2019 2:00 pm

This "Epstein Didn't Kill Himself" Out Of Nowhere Meme is gold.

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Post by DoctorWho » Tue Nov 19, 2019 2:58 pm

Polarization (including among jurors), trials brought by politically ambitious prosecutors for publicity purposes, the tricky move around double jeopardy by the feds stepping in after a state law acquittal, and the public turning (I think) toward incarcerating fewer people and against a mob mentality all tend to NOT loosening protections for the accused, like getting rid of or weakening the statute of limitations.

A case usually gets harder to prosecute with time, but sometimes it can harm the defense more than the prosecution (I'm guessing).

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Post by simonrest » Tue Nov 19, 2019 2:58 pm

aurelius wrote: Tue Nov 19, 2019 9:46 am Anybody hear about the Prince Andrew's interview? Like holy shit...doesn't he have full time handlers? How in the world did that interview even happen?
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Post by mbasic » Wed Nov 20, 2019 5:09 am

DirtyRed wrote: Tue Nov 19, 2019 2:00 pm This "Epstein Didn't Kill Himself" Out Of Nowhere Meme is gold.
agreed.

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This struck me as odd.



i will laugh my ass off when if they could tie it altogether (reveal publicly)...
...hopefully without more people dying.

ha ha ha ha your husband was on his 'Lolita Express' charter plane a dozen or so times

ha ha ha ha ha ha " so funny trevor, you jest " he he he he he he
In 2015, Gawker released the flight logbooks for Epstein's Gulfstream and the Lolita Express 727. Bill Clinton is among the prominent people listed in the flight logs, having took several trips on the Lolita Express with a softcore porn actress listed under "massages" in Epstein's address book, also published by Gawker. Clinton shared eleven flights aboard the Lolita Express with Maxwell and Epstein's former assistant Sarah Kellen, who has been accused in court filings of recruiting young girls, acting as a pimp on Epstein's behalf. On multiple flights, additional women, listed in the flight logs by their first name or the simple descriptor "female," joined Clinton aboard Epstein's plane. A statement released by Clinton's office acknowledges only the African tour:
Yeah, it wasn't her, but she's no doubt loosely associated to a pedophile-sex-crazed-monster through her husbands dealings with him.
Or at least gives the appearance that way ... kinda insensitive to the whole thing by making a big joke out of it.

Like, if I was some kind assistant on the Penn State coaching staff, say the Penn State Basketball Team Trainer .... I wouldn't be publicly making light of that Sandusky thing. Or say even if employed as a coach at another college.

She wonders why no one "likes" her.

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Post by aurelius » Thu Nov 21, 2019 9:44 am

mbasic wrote: Wed Nov 20, 2019 5:09 amYeah, it wasn't her, but she's no doubt loosely associated to a pedophile-sex-crazed-monster through her husbands dealings with him.
Or at least gives the appearance that way ... kinda insensitive to the whole thing by making a big joke out of it.
Hillary Clinton did far worse than be insensitive to Bill Clinton's sexual predation. She publicly attacked and smeared the multiple accusers that came forward. Hillary was Bill's fixer while Bill held public office.

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Post by DoctorWho » Thu Nov 21, 2019 11:40 am

Most politicians do it, but it's galling to hear a politician twist and obscure to the point of misrepresentation, then agree when the dim-wit interviewer states that people don't even understand what's true anymore as a way of criticizing opponents.

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Post by Bcharles123 » Thu Nov 21, 2019 12:55 pm

aurelius wrote: Thu Nov 21, 2019 9:44 am
Hillary Clinton did far worse than be insensitive to Bill Clinton's sexual predation. She publicly attacked and smeared the multiple accusers that came forward. Hillary was Bill's fixer while Bill held public office.
And it was coming not too long after the Anita Hill debacle, the whole premise of which was intimidating a sub ordinate , especially sexually, was the the worse thing there was.

It wasn’t just Hillary that looked the other way. Most of the “feminist” advocates looked the other way.

Anyone who is not cynical about the rampant hypocrisy in politics is a fool.

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Post by DCR » Thu Jul 02, 2020 7:26 am

mbasic wrote: Thu Jul 02, 2020 7:04 am This aint over just yet ...

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/02/nyre ... stein.html
All the places in the world to go on the lam and she chose New Hampshire?

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