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Post by unlimitedgains » Thu May 30, 2024 4:13 am

xuerebx wrote: Sun Nov 05, 2023 12:02 pm Some interesting gossip.

So, not sure if anyone here knows but a study was recently published where participants went up from 27 sets to 52 friggin sets on legs per week (all sets apparently to 2 RIR), to then conclude that higher volume higher growth (even though the time effort required is waaaay higher than the incremental growth, of course). Anyway, Lyle McDonald challenged anyone to $1,000 if they can complete the 27 set workout (9 sets squats, 9 sets leg press, 9 sets leg extension all at 2 RIR). Dr. Milo Wolf took up the challenge, together with Dr. Pak. Dr. Pak gave up after squats but Milo completed the workout. Lyle then analysed the workout rep by rep and judging RIR via rep speed etc.

Long story short, Lyle admitted that it was completed by Milo and PayPal'ed him $1k. Didn't think it would pan out this way to be honest, but Lyle was man enough to concede his point.

In any case, it's not really viable for normal people, and I HIGHLY doubt the participants were going to 2 RIR when they increased sets to 52/week.

Oldish post, but is that video gone from the internet now? The embed says it has been removed, I can't find on Google either

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Post by asdf » Thu May 30, 2024 8:00 am

unlimitedgains wrote: Thu May 30, 2024 4:13 am Oldish post, but is that video gone from the internet now? The embed says it has been removed, I can't find on Google either
Is this what you're looking for?


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Post by unlimitedgains » Thu May 30, 2024 8:49 am

asdf wrote: Thu May 30, 2024 8:00 am
unlimitedgains wrote: Thu May 30, 2024 4:13 am Oldish post, but is that video gone from the internet now? The embed says it has been removed, I can't find on Google either
Is this what you're looking for?

It is, thanks. I think it kind of proves Lyle's point a bit, he's down to one plate by the end of the squats. I wonder if the increase in volume leading up to this session for the guys in the study led to greater preparedness or just greater fatigue.

This is absolute bro science, but is it possible that it's not the extra volume by itself that's leading to greater gains for the high volume group but rather some benefit to training under fatigue? That is, their big motor units are fried after a few sets of squats, and rest is short so a lot of the work is targeting smaller motor units that wouldn't get taxed? Or something like that

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Post by xuerebx » Fri May 31, 2024 11:13 am

By the way it wasn't the same video - but the one you linked is the full version anyway. In the old one Lyle I recall made some edits, such as slowing it down.

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Post by TornAlien » Sun Jun 16, 2024 4:21 am

Why doesn't Sam Sulek train abs?

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Post by James » Sun Jun 16, 2024 7:31 am

A lot of body builders don't train their mid section because it will change their look.

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Post by DanCR » Sun Jun 16, 2024 9:09 am

I believe that, more specifically, they do train their midsections but without weight / not progressing the movements.

That said, we’re feeding the bot.

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Post by aurelius » Wed Jun 19, 2024 9:28 am

I thought a huge 'problem' with modern massive bodybuilders is the distended gut appearance. They avoid direct ab training as a result.

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Post by Hardartery » Wed Jun 19, 2024 3:39 pm

aurelius wrote: Wed Jun 19, 2024 9:28 am I thought a huge 'problem' with modern massive bodybuilders is the distended gut appearance. They avoid direct ab training as a result.
That was 5 years ago, and is not related to training abs, LOL. They seem to have conquered it for the most part through more judicious use of their enhancements.

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Post by aurelius » Wed Jun 19, 2024 5:04 pm

Hardartery wrote: Wed Jun 19, 2024 3:39 pmThat was 5 years ago, and is not related to training abs, LOL. They seem to have conquered it for the most part through more judicious use of their enhancements.
I know it wasn't through ab training. I just thought they tried to avoid any additional stimulus to the abdominal areas.

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Post by Hardartery » Fri Jun 21, 2024 6:29 am

aurelius wrote: Wed Jun 19, 2024 5:04 pm
Hardartery wrote: Wed Jun 19, 2024 3:39 pmThat was 5 years ago, and is not related to training abs, LOL. They seem to have conquered it for the most part through more judicious use of their enhancements.
I know it wasn't through ab training. I just thought they tried to avoid any additional stimulus to the abdominal areas.
I believe you are right about that, that they generally do not do any accessory ab work as far as I have seen.

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