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James
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by James » Tue May 30, 2023 10:25 pm
alphagamma wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 5:24 pm
What exercise do I need to program for when my squat sticking point is at the top half? Is it a back issue?
The top half how? Does your ass shoot back? Do you just slow down and stop? Do your shoulders round over? Is it like right before you're standing or the lower part of the "top half"?
"I have a high sticking point" isn't super helpful.
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by alphagamma » Wed May 31, 2023 8:15 pm
James wrote: ↑Tue May 30, 2023 10:25 pm
alphagamma wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 5:24 pm
What exercise do I need to program for when my squat sticking point is at the top half? Is it a back issue?
The top half how? Does your ass shoot back? Do you just slow down and stop? Do your shoulders round over? Is it like right before you're standing or the lower part of the "top half"?
"I have a high sticking point" isn't super helpful.
If the bottom of the lift is 90 degrees, it is the middle "30 degrees" that my squat slows down. Yeah it shoots back a little bit. No stopping, just slows down. No rounding. Yeah, the lower part of the top half I guess.
Hardartery wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 6:46 pm
alphagamma wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 5:24 pm
What exercise do I need to program for when my squat sticking point is at the top half? Is it a back issue?
Hips, maybe abs, maybe quads. Not likely to be back.
Thanks, I will look into it.
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by James » Thu Jun 01, 2023 7:34 am
I'd say Highbar or front squats if you already do that. Generally your butt kicking back like that is your quads not being strong enough to drive through that part of the lift. HB/FS will encourage you to stay more upright so dumping the lift onto your butt isn't much of an option.
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by 5hout » Fri Jun 02, 2023 6:24 am
alphagamma wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 8:15 pm
James wrote: ↑Tue May 30, 2023 10:25 pm
alphagamma wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 5:24 pm
What exercise do I need to program for when my squat sticking point is at the top half? Is it a back issue?
The top half how? Does your ass shoot back? Do you just slow down and stop? Do your shoulders round over? Is it like right before you're standing or the lower part of the "top half"?
"I have a high sticking point" isn't super helpful.
If the bottom of the lift is 90 degrees, it is the middle "30 degrees" that my squat slows down. Yeah it shoots back a little bit. No stopping, just slows down. No rounding. Yeah, the lower part of the top half I guess.
This is only a temporary fix, but have you considered not doing that during your squat?
Joking, but not really. Right as you get to the sticking point I'd cue "proud chest" and extra hard flex your lower back. I'll bet doing so prevents the ass issue and lets you cruise through the sticking point.
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by Culican » Sun Jun 04, 2023 10:08 am
Culican wrote: ↑Sun May 21, 2023 9:52 am
This morning at my gym the guy in the rack next to me squats 495x9 and then 585x1. He leaves for about 10min and then comes back and does one set of RDLs at 135x8 and three sets at 185x8.
I will never squat 585 or 495 in my dreams but I do my RDLs at 225x8 or even 245x8.
The stupid questions: What could someone who squats 585lb hope to gain from RDLs at 185lb? Should I be using a lower weight (like 115lb) on my RDLs?
So this morning the same guy was there and I asked him. He said that while he sometimes goes as high as 315 on the RDLs but he says he feels like he is rushing through the set at that weight. He went on to say that at the much lower weights he actually can concentrate on and hit his hamstrings much better.
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by DanCR » Sun Jun 04, 2023 2:27 pm
Culican wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 10:08 am
Culican wrote: ↑Sun May 21, 2023 9:52 am
This morning at my gym the guy in the rack next to me squats 495x9 and then 585x1. He leaves for about 10min and then comes back and does one set of RDLs at 135x8 and three sets at 185x8.
I will never squat 585 or 495 in my dreams but I do my RDLs at 225x8 or even 245x8.
The stupid questions: What could someone who squats 585lb hope to gain from RDLs at 185lb? Should I be using a lower weight (like 115lb) on my RDLs?
So this morning the same guy was there and I asked him. He said that while he sometimes goes as high as 315 on the RDLs but he says he feels like he is rushing through the set at that weight. He went on to say that at the much lower weights he actually can concentrate on and hit his hamstrings much better.
That’s cool that you were able to follow up on this.
I didn’t catch in your initial post that the 495 was for 9. The. Fuck.
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by lehman906 » Mon Jun 05, 2023 8:40 am
Culican wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 10:08 am
Culican wrote: ↑Sun May 21, 2023 9:52 am
This morning at my gym the guy in the rack next to me squats 495x9 and then 585x1. He leaves for about 10min and then comes back and does one set of RDLs at 135x8 and three sets at 185x8.
I will never squat 585 or 495 in my dreams but I do my RDLs at 225x8 or even 245x8.
The stupid questions: What could someone who squats 585lb hope to gain from RDLs at 185lb? Should I be using a lower weight (like 115lb) on my RDLs?
So this morning the same guy was there and I asked him. He said that while he sometimes goes as high as 315 on the RDLs but he says he feels like he is rushing through the set at that weight. He went on to say that at the much lower weights he actually can concentrate on and hit his hamstrings much better.
That makes sense to me. I'm a 500ish deadlifter, but if I do RDL's any heavier than around 185-225, they just feel like a heavy variation instead of a movement for the muscles, if that makes any sense. Lighter ones can get a good stretch and burn in the hammies and glutes, but heavy ones just feel like doing part of a deadlift, and the strain is evenly spread around.
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by mbasic » Mon Jun 05, 2023 9:00 am
Culican wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 10:08 am
Culican wrote: ↑Sun May 21, 2023 9:52 am
This morning at my gym the guy in the rack next to me squats 495x9 and then 585x1. He leaves for about 10min and then comes back and does one set of RDLs at 135x8 and three sets at 185x8.
I will never squat 585 or 495 in my dreams but I do my RDLs at 225x8 or even 245x8.
The stupid questions: What could someone who squats 585lb hope to gain from RDLs at 185lb? Should I be using a lower weight (like 115lb) on my RDLs?
So this morning the same guy was there and I asked him. He said that while he sometimes goes as high as 315 on the RDLs but he says he feels like he is rushing through the set at that weight. He went on to say that at the much lower weights he actually can concentrate on and hit his hamstrings much better.
I'd have to see how he did the RDLs, if you keep your knees fairly straight, and send you ass way back .... I could maybe see it.
A lot of people will RDL with a lot of knee flexion; its basically a reverse deadlift of sorts .... more glute activation at the expensive of hamstring stretching/activation.
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by dw » Sun Jun 18, 2023 8:21 am
When did weighted golf swings become popular (with a cable attachment for example)?
I see this a lot lately...
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by DanCR » Sun Jun 18, 2023 2:43 pm
dw wrote: ↑Sun Jun 18, 2023 8:21 am
When did weighted golf swings become popular (with a cable attachment for example)?
I see this a lot lately...
I as well. Same people who do kettlebell halos.
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by CheekiBreekiFitness » Mon Jun 19, 2023 12:25 am
Its the resurgence of this trend where people used cable machines to mimick hitting a baseball. Things never change. Athlean-X used to promote this kind of stuff 10 years ago.
I don't understand why people always have to reinvent lifting weights. What's wrong with just lifting normally ? It's really not that complicated.
People who want to reinvent lifting weights are the same people who will sell you a Juicero.
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by EggMcMuffin » Sat Jun 24, 2023 12:31 am
I want to start lifting on top of running. Is it dumb to get a gym membership even though I have a rack/bar/weights at home? I make like no money so even $45 a month is a little steep especially considering I have everything I need already, but I kinda hate working out at home.
I think I've asked this before but I'm pretty much just looking for validation lol.
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by CheekiBreekiFitness » Sat Jun 24, 2023 12:59 am
EggMcMuffin wrote: ↑Sat Jun 24, 2023 12:31 am
I want to start lifting on top of running. Is it dumb to get a gym membership even though I have a rack/bar/weights at home? I make like no money so even $45 a month is a little steep especially considering I have everything I need already, but I kinda hate working out at home.
I think I've asked this before but I'm pretty much just looking for validation lol.
What about going to something like planet fitness ? It'll be $10 instead of $45 and you can do your heavy stuff at home, then go to the gym to do some hypertrophy work.
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by DanCR » Sat Jun 24, 2023 6:14 am
EggMcMuffin wrote: ↑Sat Jun 24, 2023 12:31 am
I want to start lifting on top of running. Is it dumb to get a gym membership even though I have a rack/bar/weights at home? I make like no money so even $45 a month is a little steep especially considering I have everything I need already, but I kinda hate working out at home.
I think I've asked this before but I'm pretty much just looking for validation lol.
Why do you hate lifting at home?
(Not into it either, but interested in your particular reasons.)
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by AlanMackey » Tue Jun 27, 2023 10:06 am
When doing 1@8, how many sets does it usually take to get you there?
On average, I'd say six to eight, resting sixty seconds between sets, but I'm curious about other people's numbers.
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by James » Tue Jun 27, 2023 10:49 am
Five for me with no rest between until a 30ish second breather before the 1@8.
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by AlanMackey » Tue Jun 27, 2023 12:14 pm
James wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2023 10:49 am
Five for me with no rest between until a 30ish second breather before the 1@8.
Whoa! That's quite fast.
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by mbasic » Tue Jun 27, 2023 1:14 pm
AlanMackey wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2023 10:06 am
When doing 1@8, how many sets does it usually take to get you there?
On average, I'd say six to eight, resting sixty seconds between sets, but I'm curious about other people's numbers.
this probably depends on weight used (level of advancement) and the particular exercise.
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by CheekiBreekiFitness » Tue Jun 27, 2023 1:32 pm
AlanMackey wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2023 10:06 am
When doing 1@8, how many sets does it usually take to get you there?
On average, I'd say six to eight, resting sixty seconds between sets, but I'm curious about other people's numbers.
I'll start with sets with small weights without rest (other than the time required to change the weight on the bar), then i'll do 1@6 rest 3 minutes 1@7 rest 3 minutes and then a 1@8. For instance today's squat workout was:
5x20 5x40 5x60 5x80 5x100 5x120 1x145 (rest 3 minutes) 1x155 (rest 3 minutes) 1x165
I like to take my time when doing heavy stuff, mostly to make sure that i'm focused (not because of lack of conditionning).
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by James » Tue Jun 27, 2023 3:10 pm
AlanMackey wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2023 12:14 pm
Whoa! That's quite fast.
I'll be honest. If I don't do it like that I'll get distracted and it ends up taking forever.