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Post by mbasic » Sun May 29, 2022 2:47 pm

Pretty good example IMO how a pump, proper lighting, and being somewhat lean can create the suddenly-jacked-hollywood-guy-is-obvs-on-peds-illusion ....


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Sure, he's not Thor or anything, but he's 5'10-1/2" and 144 lbs.....can only bench 135x9RM. If you saw my son walking down the street with no shirt on, you'd tell him to eat a sandwich or something....the picture above is totally not representative of him.

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Post by mbasic » Wed Jul 13, 2022 7:28 am

I guess there's some hub bubb going around about a whole bunch of Xfit athletes failing some (retroactive) tests?

meme accounts goin kray-kray ...hard to tell whats serious or not


https://morningchalkup.com/2022/07/12/o ... g-problem/
– as of publication of this article [July 12, 2022], 14 athletes (four individual men and ten team athletes) have tested positive for banned substances related to a 2022 CrossFit Semifinal. Of course, not all of these have been made official by CrossFit yet, and most athletes are now beating the company to its punch by taking to Instagram to try and control the messaging, but it does not detract from the fact that the sport is currently in a tailspin.
I think even since this article was written, maybe something else (more) has happened....


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Post by TravelGuy1 » Wed Aug 17, 2022 2:16 am

Steroids are good for gaining muscle weight and shaping your body in a pretty masculine way quicker. However, there are some important rules before starting to use it. First, you should understand that it s a little dangerous for our liver, so don’t take it too intensively and take breaks. Moreover, it’s better to define your personal needs with a specialist not to damage your health. I also prefer testosterone-based supplements because they not only let you gain muscles quickly but also let you have a better sex life and make you more attractive in a masculine way. More info here <spammy url>
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Post by mgil » Wed Aug 17, 2022 6:16 am

TravelGuy1 wrote: Wed Aug 17, 2022 2:16 am Steroids are good for gaining muscle weight and shaping your body in a pretty masculine way quicker. However, there are some important rules before starting to use it. First, you should understand that it s a little dangerous for our liver, so don’t take it too intensively and take breaks
Hey, new person!

Your first couple of posts have been interesting.

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Post by omaniphil » Wed Aug 17, 2022 8:14 am

mgil wrote: Wed Aug 17, 2022 6:16 am
TravelGuy1 wrote: Wed Aug 17, 2022 2:16 am Steroids are good for gaining muscle weight and shaping your body in a pretty masculine way quicker. However, there are some important rules before starting to use it. First, you should understand that it s a little dangerous for our liver, so don’t take it too intensively and take breaks
Hey, new person!

Your first couple of posts have been interesting.
I half expected to see something about taking peptides to help reduce liver damage.

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Post by quikky » Fri Aug 19, 2022 8:31 am

omaniphil wrote: Wed Aug 17, 2022 8:14 am
mgil wrote: Wed Aug 17, 2022 6:16 am
TravelGuy1 wrote: Wed Aug 17, 2022 2:16 am Steroids are good for gaining muscle weight and shaping your body in a pretty masculine way quicker. However, there are some important rules before starting to use it. First, you should understand that it s a little dangerous for our liver, so don’t take it too intensively and take breaks
Hey, new person!

Your first couple of posts have been interesting.
I half expected to see something about taking peptides to help reduce liver damage.
Yup, seems like a spam infiltrator. A few more of these "look I might be a real boy!" posts before we get a "hey guysss, I found this super great site for these peptides!"

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Wheels says he's going clean, sort of. TRT only.

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Post by quikky » Wed Aug 24, 2022 9:16 am

TravelGuy1 wrote: Wed Aug 17, 2022 2:16 am Steroids are good for gaining muscle weight and shaping your body in a pretty masculine way quicker. However, there are some important rules before starting to use it. First, you should understand that it s a little dangerous for our liver, so don’t take it too intensively and take breaks. Moreover, it’s better to define your personal needs with a specialist not to damage your health. I also prefer testosterone-based supplements because they not only let you gain muscles quickly but also let you have a better sex life and make you more attractive in a masculine way. More info here healthcanal.com/nutrition/best-testosterone-booster-muscle-gain
@mgil, definitely a spammer ^
omaniphil wrote: Wed Aug 17, 2022 8:14 am I half expected to see something about taking peptides to help reduce liver damage.
Ding ding ding, you win! Lol, he seriously did post about peptides in another thread.

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Post by omaniphil » Wed Aug 24, 2022 10:40 am

quikky wrote: Wed Aug 24, 2022 9:16 am Ding ding ding, you win! Lol, he seriously did post about peptides in another thread.
Ha - I'm not that good. I looked up his account to see what other posts he had.

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Post by bobmen10000 » Wed Aug 24, 2022 1:04 pm

Hardartery wrote: Sat Aug 20, 2022 5:48 pm

Wheels says he's going clean, sort of. TRT only.
He likely has to go on TRT for life as I imagine his hormonal situation is pretty much fucked due to (and now without) pharmaceutical supplementation.

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Post by Hardartery » Wed Aug 24, 2022 1:55 pm

bobmen10000 wrote: Wed Aug 24, 2022 1:04 pm
Hardartery wrote: Sat Aug 20, 2022 5:48 pm

Wheels says he's going clean, sort of. TRT only.
He likely has to go on TRT for life as I imagine his hormonal situation is pretty much fucked due to (and now without) pharmaceutical supplementation.
He says that in the video, actually. He's been on since the age of 17 and has a couple of failed restarts apparently. He's a little off on his description of TRT, but is starting out at what he apparently believes to be the upper max of TRT dose. He is going to find life very different at those blood levels, honestly. But he also pretty bluntly says that he isn't totally done with juicing because he wants to take a run at a 1k DL and doesn't consider it possible as natty or on only TRT. Bit of a stunt, IMO. He is probably going to be unable to leave it alone and will die young as a result. He doesn't seem like the type that can do it any other way than gassed to the gills.

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Post by 5hout » Thu Aug 25, 2022 5:29 am

Hardartery wrote: Wed Aug 24, 2022 1:55 pm

He says that in the video, actually. He's been on since the age of 17 and has a couple of failed restarts apparently. He's a little off on his description of TRT, but is starting out at what he apparently believes to be the upper max of TRT dose. He is going to find life very different at those blood levels, honestly. But he also pretty bluntly says that he isn't totally done with juicing because he wants to take a run at a 1k DL and doesn't consider it possible as natty or on only TRT. Bit of a stunt, IMO. He is probably going to be unable to leave it alone and will die young as a result. He doesn't seem like the type that can do it any other way than gassed to the gills.
I had a huge laugh at that article. His publicist is doing an amazing job. "Man announces he's taking less steroids" reported as going off.

He says he's trying to get down to 175mg, not that he's there (and that's upper end) and he doesn't say what ester of test he's taking, or what other "research chemicals"/inhibitors he's taking alongside it.

Don't get me wrong, probably making a great decision for his health even if it's 200mg of test cyp a week with some other supplementation/inhibitors trialed, just hilarious the Barbend news coverage was "Larry Wheels off drugs".

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Post by Hardartery » Thu Aug 25, 2022 8:19 am

5hout wrote: Thu Aug 25, 2022 5:29 am
Hardartery wrote: Wed Aug 24, 2022 1:55 pm

He says that in the video, actually. He's been on since the age of 17 and has a couple of failed restarts apparently. He's a little off on his description of TRT, but is starting out at what he apparently believes to be the upper max of TRT dose. He is going to find life very different at those blood levels, honestly. But he also pretty bluntly says that he isn't totally done with juicing because he wants to take a run at a 1k DL and doesn't consider it possible as natty or on only TRT. Bit of a stunt, IMO. He is probably going to be unable to leave it alone and will die young as a result. He doesn't seem like the type that can do it any other way than gassed to the gills.
I had a huge laugh at that article. His publicist is doing an amazing job. "Man announces he's taking less steroids" reported as going off.

He says he's trying to get down to 175mg, not that he's there (and that's upper end) and he doesn't say what ester of test he's taking, or what other "research chemicals"/inhibitors he's taking alongside it.

Don't get me wrong, probably making a great decision for his health even if it's 200mg of test cyp a week with some other supplementation/inhibitors trialed, just hilarious the Barbend news coverage was "Larry Wheels off drugs".
I mean, technically upper end is 300mg (Some specific issues can warrant that dose and it isn't usually being done do to hypogonadism but for some other reason linked to crazy SHBG), and I am not sure I believe 175mg is his new number either. Most lifters do 200mg a week, with no experimentation or thought. They simply inject the whole vial of cypionate every week. If Larry actually is doing 175mg as his TRT dose, it means he's getting some weird ester that comes in a 175mg amp and they only sell it in Dubai or something. IMO. And I'd be astonished if there isn't some other stuff going on, like Anavar as a pre-workout or something.

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Post by asdf » Tue Aug 30, 2022 7:06 pm

Not sports, but still seems relevant:

"When the Navy gathered Seaman Mullen’s belongings, they discovered syringes and performance enhancing drugs in his car. The captain in charge of BUD/S immediately ordered an investigation, and soon about 40 candidates had either tested positive or had admitted using steroids or other drugs in violation of Navy regulations."

"Sailors who enter the program bolstered by steroids and hormones can push harder, recover faster and probably beat out the sailors who are trying to become SEALs while clean, said one senior SEAL leader with multiple combat deployments to Iraq and Afghanistan. The inevitable effect, he said, is that a course designed to select the very best will end up selecting only the very best cheaters, and steadily fill the SEAL teams with war fighters who view rules as optional."

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/30/us/n ... death.html

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asdf wrote: Tue Aug 30, 2022 7:06 pm " The inevitable effect, he said, is that a course designed to select the very best will end up selecting only the very best cheaters, and steadily fill the SEAL teams with war fighters who view rules as optional."

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/30/us/n ... death.html
That quote seems off: "best cheaters".
And then: "view rules as optimal" .... as we send them off to sneak into some sovereign 3rd world country to straight up assassinate a purported bad-guy we don't like. (because we couldn't off him w/ drone strike for some reason...)
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzz!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm sure there's just a cursory "drugs are bad, mkay" reference in The Manual or something.

I bet they don't regularly test (until they were very recently aware of the problem).

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Post by asdf » Wed Aug 31, 2022 8:55 am

@mbasic

Your first point was made in the article.

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In a perverse way, the drug problem at BUD/S is a natural outgrowth of the mind-set the SEALs try to cultivate, according to Benjamin Milligan, a former enlisted SEAL who recently published a history of the force, “Water Beneath the Walls.”

The SEALs want operators who can find unconventional ways to gain an advantage against the enemy, he said in an interview.

“You want guys who can solve problems in war, guys who know how to play dirty, because war is a dirty game,” he said.

An often heard unofficial adage in the SEALs holds that, “if you ain’t cheating, you ain’t trying.”

During BUD/S, he said, the “enemy” to be outfoxed is the course itself.

“No one can do everything the instructors ask, so you have to learn how to cheat to get through,” he said. “Everyone knows it happens. The point is to learn how to not get caught.”

“Basically, you are selecting for guys who are willing to cheat,” he added. “So, no surprise, guys are going to turn to drugs.”

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Regarding testing...

"In interviews, SEALs report knowing of men who used drugs during BUD/S at least as far back as 2009. The Navy uncovered what the senior SEAL leader called “a steroid ring” in 2012. He said BUD/S began testing candidates that year, but the testing lapsed a few years later."

"SEAL leaders say they don’t have the authority to start a testing program to attack the problem. They formally requested permission from the Navy in June to start testing all candidates but are still awaiting a response."

Besides the obvious health risks, which was really the point of the article, is that that if you don't rigorously test for PEDs, then you're going to end up selecting the most physically enhanced guys, not the guys who are naturally most physically capable.

It's a long article, but you should read it.

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asdf wrote: Wed Aug 31, 2022 8:55 am @mbasic

Your first point was made in the article.
....well, kinda ...
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In a perverse way, the drug problem at BUD/S is a natural outgrowth of the mind-set the SEALs try to cultivate, according to Benjamin Milligan, a former enlisted SEAL who recently published a history of the force, “Water Beneath the Walls.”

The SEALs want operators who can find unconventional ways to gain an advantage against the enemy, he said in an interview.

“You want guys who can solve problems in war, guys who know how to play dirty, because war is a dirty game,” he said.

An often heard unofficial adage in the SEALs holds that, “if you ain’t cheating, you ain’t trying.”
I get you trying to outfox the enemy.
But circumventing some treaties, or Geneva Convention stuff is what I was getting at.
Lolz at distilling this down to "problem solving".

Also, they are cheating-out their fellow brothers in arms by using PEDS whereas a few might not have access or choose not to use PEDS....best man for the job?

Also, when deployed to some remote outpost in Buttfukstan, will they be able to rely on needles and their dealer when it counts most? Some of these guys are a shell of their former selves depending how much there were using. Things like roid-psychosis comes to mind. Imagine being cooped up with one of these guys in the field who suddenly have "a problem" or a because of the gyno coming on while their balls are still shrunken away to nothing. fun times

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Post by asdf » Wed Aug 31, 2022 3:32 pm

mbasic wrote: Wed Aug 31, 2022 12:07 pm Some of these guys are a shell of their former selves depending how much there were using.
Bringing this back to sports, have you seen the recent of videos of Lu Xiaojun? Dude looks like he's lost 20 pounds of muscle.

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Post by mbasic » Thu Sep 01, 2022 5:04 am

asdf wrote: Wed Aug 31, 2022 3:32 pm
mbasic wrote: Wed Aug 31, 2022 12:07 pm Some of these guys are a shell of their former selves depending how much there were using.
Bringing this back to sports, have you seen the recent of videos of Lu Xiaojun? Dude looks like he's lost 20 pounds of muscle.
yes, its quite .... funny ....seeing him that way.

Besides the muscle, he wasn't squatting a whole lot, and getting crushed (major valgus struggle-bus squats)

It will be interesting to see if and how quickly that can build him back up.

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Post by houzi » Thu Sep 01, 2022 11:18 pm

mbasic wrote: Wed Aug 31, 2022 4:50 am
asdf wrote: Tue Aug 30, 2022 7:06 pm " The inevitable effect, he said, is that a course designed to select the very best will end up selecting only the very best cheaters, and steadily fill the SEAL teams with war fighters who view rules as optional."

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/30/us/n ... death.html
That quote seems off: "best cheaters".
And then: "view rules as optimal" .... as we send them off to sneak into some sovereign 3rd world country to straight up assassinate a purported bad-guy we don't like. (because we couldn't off him w/ drone strike for some reason...)
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzz!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm sure there's just a cursory "drugs are bad, mkay" reference in The Manual or something.

I bet they don't regularly test (until they were very recently aware of the problem).

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For what its worth, I was in the british military many moons ago and every now and then blokes would get popped for steroids and then get the boot. I think one guy was caught taking then also found to be dealing. 7 days from positive drug test to being being a civilian. However, it was somewhat of an open secret of who was taking PEDs. Higher ranks would get wind of a camp-wide drug test incoming for the following day, and then square away any blokes in their department to be off camp for the entire day. Random driving detail to pick up a random vehicle part at another garrison, that sort of thing... These drug tests would appear every 6 months or so, but were somewhat optional the higher your rank was.

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