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Re: Cutting body fat, is it essential?
Posted: Wed Nov 02, 2022 3:00 pm
by Hardartery
DCR wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 2:45 pm
Allentown wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 10:23 am
DCR wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 9:18 am
If you can do more than, say, 15 legit pushups, I’d either make them harder in any number of ways, or have fun trying to progress to one arm pushups.
I'm pretty sure the number was 30, but it was pretty well correlated to significantly decreased all cause mortality. I like to think that was controlled for age, but who knows.
Regardless, 30 isn't a big number.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but I assume that it’s the ability to do the 30 push ups that correlates with decreased mortality, not the doing of them. Assuming that, no harm in progressing them in a manner other than total reps. I agree that 30 reps isn’t a crazy amount, but I get suspicious of the form on anything in that range.
I like where you're going with that. Maybe to my detriment. I CAN do them, I just hate pushups and so do my elbows.
Re: Cutting body fat, is it essential?
Posted: Wed Nov 02, 2022 3:29 pm
by Allentown
DCR wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 2:45 pm
Correct me if I’m wrong, but I assume that it’s the ability to do the 30 push ups that correlates with decreased mortality, not the doing of them. Assuming that, no harm in progressing them in a manner other than total reps. I agree that 30 reps isn’t a crazy amount, but I get suspicious of the form on anything in that range.
No, that's right. But I'm likewise just as suspicious of anyone who does a set of 15 and says "that was easy, I can totally do 30, I'm good." I wasn't very clear in my post, either- work on getting BW in check, and strength and cardio up to doing a 30 rep set of push ups and a 10 rep set of pull ups. If weight loss and health is the goal, I think those are some fine goalposts along the way.
Re: Cutting body fat, is it essential?
Posted: Wed Nov 02, 2022 5:17 pm
by asdf
DCR wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 2:45 pm
Allentown wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 10:23 am
I'm pretty sure the number was 30
...
Regardless, 30 isn't a big number.
I agree that 30 reps isn’t a crazy amount
It was 40 push-ups, not 30, and they're harder than you're thinking because they have to be done in sync with an 80 bpm metronome, two beeps per push-up, one down, one up. You can't bang out fast reps, nor can you rest.
Here's a thread I started about it a couple of years ago:
viewtopic.php?t=2519
Re: Cutting body fat, is it essential?
Posted: Wed Nov 02, 2022 5:29 pm
by DCR
Allentown wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 3:29 pm
DCR wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 2:45 pm
Correct me if I’m wrong, but I assume that it’s the ability to do the 30 push ups that correlates with decreased mortality, not the doing of them. Assuming that, no harm in progressing them in a manner other than total reps. I agree that 30 reps isn’t a crazy amount, but I get suspicious of the form on anything in that range.
No, that's right. But I'm likewise just as suspicious of anyone who does a set of 15 and says "that was easy, I can totally do 30, I'm good." I wasn't very clear in my post, either- work on getting BW in check, and strength and cardio up to doing a 30 rep set of push ups and a 10 rep set of pull ups. If weight loss and health is the goal, I think those are some fine goalposts along the way.
Gotcha - agree.
Re: Cutting body fat, is it essential?
Posted: Wed Nov 02, 2022 5:33 pm
by DCR
asdf wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 5:17 pm
DCR wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 2:45 pm
Allentown wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 10:23 am
I'm pretty sure the number was 30
...
Regardless, 30 isn't a big number.
I agree that 30 reps isn’t a crazy amount
It was 40 push-ups, not 30, and they're harder than you're thinking because they have to be done in sync with an 80 bpm metronome, two beeps per push-up, one down, one up. You can't bang out fast reps, nor can you rest.
Here's a thread I started about it a couple of years ago:
viewtopic.php?t=2519
Actually, that’s where I was going - it’s not a crazy number, but I do think that it’s hard if not cheated, whether by straying from the criteria in the study that caught your eye, or just standard shitty humping the floor. I’ve never met a person who claimed to do sets of really high rep pushups whose form wasn’t total trash.
Re: Cutting body fat, is it essential?
Posted: Wed Nov 02, 2022 6:42 pm
by asdf
DCR wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 5:33 pm
Actually, that’s where I was going - it’s not a crazy number, but I do think that it’s hard if not cheated
Sorry, I misunderstood you.
Re: Cutting body fat, is it essential?
Posted: Thu Nov 03, 2022 6:27 am
by Allentown
asdf wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 5:17 pm
DCR wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 2:45 pm
Allentown wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 10:23 am
I'm pretty sure the number was 30
...
Regardless, 30 isn't a big number.
I agree that 30 reps isn’t a crazy amount
It was 40 push-ups, not 30, and they're harder than you're thinking because they have to be done in sync with an 80 bpm metronome, two beeps per push-up, one down, one up. You can't bang out fast reps, nor can you rest.
Here's a thread I started about it a couple of years ago:
viewtopic.php?t=2519
Shoot, looks like I have some work to do to stay alive.
Re: Cutting body fat, is it essential?
Posted: Thu Nov 03, 2022 1:47 pm
by TheGloriousW
asdf wrote: ↑Sun Oct 30, 2022 4:51 pm
Hardartery wrote: ↑Sun Oct 30, 2022 1:47 pm
cardio health ... 20 mins 3 times a week is probably more than enough
Major health organizations recommend *at least* 150-300 minutes per week of moderate exercise or 75-150 minutes of vigorous exercise. Going beyond the upper end confers additional health benefits.
I do remember the SBS guys doing a segment on this. Either it was in the last few months or that is when I listened to it. Their take from the studies was that the majority of health benefits are gained at the low end of time commitment exercising and the health benefits/time exercising relationship was not linear.
Re: Cutting body fat, is it essential?
Posted: Thu Nov 03, 2022 7:38 pm
by asdf
TheGloriousW wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 1:47 pm
the majority of health benefits are gained at the low end of time commitment exercising and the health benefits/time exercising relationship was not linear.
You're right. A 20% reduction in mortality risk occurs with just 50 minutes of moderate-to-vigorous exercise per week. There's a nice chart showing the dose-response curve in the
Scientific Report backing the 2018 Physical Activity Guidelines. See page D-10.
Re: Cutting body fat, is it essential?
Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2022 4:27 am
by AlanMackey
Hardartery wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 3:00 pmI just hate pushups and so do my elbows.
That’s interesting.
I noticed my elbows and shoulders are not happy if I stop doing push ups and curls.
Re: Cutting body fat, is it essential?
Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2022 12:01 pm
by Hardartery
AlanMackey wrote: ↑Fri Nov 04, 2022 4:27 am
Hardartery wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 3:00 pmI just hate pushups and so do my elbows.
That’s interesting.
I noticed my elbows and shoulders are not happy if I stop doing push ups and curls.
I am forced into a tucked elbow position for them. I am not adverse to pain, but there is no special victory in it for me so it's not worth it. Even with tucked elbows the shoulders and elbows get a little pissed off after 15 or so. I can knock out more with the elbows out, but there's nothing in it for me to entice me to endure the pain and possible tendonitis.