All training and programming related queries and banter here
Moderators: mgil, chromoly, Manveer
-
JonA
- Registered User
- Posts: 2138
- Joined: Fri Sep 29, 2017 7:00 am
- Age: 48
#21
Post
by JonA » Wed Nov 08, 2017 8:15 am
iamsmu wrote: ↑Wed Nov 08, 2017 6:06 am
I use one of those, but it's the full scale (both handles and foot measurements).
Like all the methods, they are based on a statistical population. If you fall into the right population, it will be accurate. If you don't, then it won't be accurate.
And like all methods, it's best to use a running average of measurements taken over time, not just a single measurement. BF just doesn't change very quickly, but water retention, food mass, etc all do. But averaged out over time, using something like
https://trendweight.com/ you can get a pretty good picture.
-
TimK
- Much Mustache
- Posts: 2978
- Joined: Sun Sep 17, 2017 7:03 am
- Location: Grand Rapids, MI
- Age: 39
#22
Post
by TimK » Wed Nov 08, 2017 8:31 am
cwd wrote: ↑Wed Nov 08, 2017 8:05 am
Dan John's rule of thumb for guys is: keep your waist circumference below 1/2 your height.
I don't trust anyone with two first names.
I don't know, I'm 71" and while I would like to get my waist down to 35.5" or less I think I'll have to get down to like 12% BF to do it. The smallest it's ever been in my adult life is 36.5" and that's when I was probably around 15-17% (guesstimation). Apparently I've got wide, child bearin' hips.
-
iamsmu
- Registered User
- Posts: 4970
- Joined: Sun Sep 17, 2017 5:52 pm
- Location: Handicap: +.3
- Age: 49
-
Contact:
#23
Post
by iamsmu » Wed Nov 08, 2017 8:42 am
TimK wrote: ↑Wed Nov 08, 2017 8:31 am
cwd wrote: ↑Wed Nov 08, 2017 8:05 am
Dan John's rule of thumb for guys is: keep your waist circumference below 1/2 your height.
I don't trust anyone with two first names.
I don't know, I'm 71" and while I would like to get my waist down to 35.5" or less I think I'll have to get down to like 12% BF to do it. The smallest it's ever been in my adult life is 36.5" and that's when I was probably around 15-17% (guesstimation). Apparently I've got wide, child bearin' hips.
What's your hip size? We should have a waist : hip ratio thread. Or waist : biceps. Or waist : thigh. . . .
-
cwd
- Registered User
- Posts: 3400
- Joined: Fri Sep 15, 2017 8:34 am
- Location: central Ohio
- Age: 58
#24
Post
by cwd » Wed Nov 08, 2017 9:01 am
TimK wrote: ↑Wed Nov 08, 2017 8:31 am
cwd wrote: ↑Wed Nov 08, 2017 8:05 am
Dan John's rule of thumb for guys is: keep your waist circumference below 1/2 your height.
I don't know, I'm 71" and while I would like to get my waist down to 35.5" or less I think I'll have to get down to like 12% BF to do it. The smallest it's ever been in my adult life is 36.5" and that's when I was probably around 15-17% (guesstimation). Apparently I've got wide, child bearin' hips.
His rule is about right for me, I reached my adult height around age 16 when I still wore Levis 501 jeans with nominal waist size of 30".
So probably about a 32" waist back then.
I could get down to a true 34" waist now (with bigger ab and low back muscles) and still not be super lean.
-
TimK
- Much Mustache
- Posts: 2978
- Joined: Sun Sep 17, 2017 7:03 am
- Location: Grand Rapids, MI
- Age: 39
#25
Post
by TimK » Wed Nov 08, 2017 9:11 am
iamsmu wrote: ↑Wed Nov 08, 2017 8:42 amWhat's your hip size? We should have a waist : hip ratio thread. Or waist : biceps. Or waist : thigh. . . .
When I measured last Friday I was 39" waist, 44" hips (around the widest part of my ass).
If I measure my "natural waist" i.e. point on my torso with the smallest circumference, it's a few inches less, but I'm assuming we're talking about the abdominal measurement at the height of the navel. That measurement seems to be influenced to some degree by the size of your hip bones as far as I can tell, and mine seem to be fairly wide.
-
Wilhelm
- Little Musk Ox
- Posts: 9718
- Joined: Fri Oct 27, 2017 3:58 pm
- Location: Living Room
- Age: 62
#26
Post
by Wilhelm » Wed Nov 08, 2017 9:13 am
So you're going with "big boned' then?
-
Cody
- Equipment Guru
- Posts: 2047
- Joined: Thu Sep 14, 2017 8:14 am
- Age: 39
#27
Post
by Cody » Wed Nov 08, 2017 9:46 am
Shit, I'm 38-39" waist at 6'0" tall. You want me to drop 2-3" off my waist, Dan John? You can fuck off, I've got thick abs and back muscles and shit. BF% is definitely under control because I have visible abs. Why would I drop that much mass? I wouldn't.
-
Allentown
- Likes Beer
- Posts: 10019
- Joined: Fri Sep 15, 2017 8:41 am
- Location: Grindville, West MI. Pop: 2 Gainzgoblins
- Age: 40
#28
Post
by Allentown » Wed Nov 08, 2017 9:48 am
Cody wrote: ↑Wed Nov 08, 2017 9:46 am
Shit, I'm 38-39" waist at 6'0" tall. You want me to drop 2-3" off my waist, Dan John? You can fuck off, I've got thick abs and back muscles and shit. BF% is definitely under control because I have visible abs. Why would I drop that much mass? I wouldn't.
Godda get dat v-taper
-
Murelli
- Registered User
- Posts: 1988
- Joined: Thu Sep 14, 2017 9:00 am
- Location: January River, Emberwoodland
- Age: 35
-
Contact:
#29
Post
by Murelli » Wed Nov 08, 2017 10:01 am
Allentown wrote: ↑Wed Nov 08, 2017 9:48 am
Cody wrote: ↑Wed Nov 08, 2017 9:46 am
Shit, I'm 38-39" waist at 6'0" tall. You want me to drop 2-3" off my waist, Dan John? You can fuck off, I've got thick abs and back muscles and shit. BF% is definitely under control because I have visible abs. Why would I drop that much mass? I wouldn't.
Godda get dat v-taper
It definitely will improve his use of the BB.com stringer top for deadlifting with a clown bar.
-
iamsmu
- Registered User
- Posts: 4970
- Joined: Sun Sep 17, 2017 5:52 pm
- Location: Handicap: +.3
- Age: 49
-
Contact:
#30
Post
by iamsmu » Wed Nov 08, 2017 11:15 am
Back and stomach muscle does seem to add something here. My waist has grown, but I have less stomach fat. I need the myotape to get precise. 74" tall. I think my waist is 35.5 tight (post lunch: hamburger and a big plate of fries [a special occasion], so ~1.5" less in the morning probably), 32 sucked in (earlier). Hips are 41.75" at the widest. (Not exactly birthin' hips.) Chest looks like 46 at the widest point under my arms. I'm not sure were to measure. . . . The myotape should be here soon. I'll get some more precise measurements then.
So, worst case I've got a .85 waist to hip ratio. My BMI is only 26.4 now though. I'd like to get it back closer to 30, so I can destroy the report they autogenerate at my PCP's office.
-
TimK
- Much Mustache
- Posts: 2978
- Joined: Sun Sep 17, 2017 7:03 am
- Location: Grand Rapids, MI
- Age: 39
#31
Post
by TimK » Wed Nov 08, 2017 11:24 am
iamsmu wrote: ↑Wed Nov 08, 2017 11:15 amBack and stomach muscle does seem to add something here.
I think you're right:
-
Woody
- Registered User
- Posts: 33
- Joined: Fri Nov 03, 2017 10:30 am
#32
Post
by Woody » Thu Nov 09, 2017 3:14 am
Cody wrote: ↑Wed Nov 08, 2017 9:46 am
Shit, I'm 38-39" waist at 6'0" tall. You want me to drop 2-3" off my waist, Dan John? You can fuck off, I've got thick abs and back muscles and shit. BF% is definitely under control because I have visible abs. Why would I drop that much mass? I wouldn't.
Dan John is probably right for most people though isn't he?. Id have thought his rule rule holds pretty well for folks deadlifting under about 500lbs.
-
Cody
- Equipment Guru
- Posts: 2047
- Joined: Thu Sep 14, 2017 8:14 am
- Age: 39
#33
Post
by Cody » Thu Nov 09, 2017 3:18 am
Woody wrote: ↑Thu Nov 09, 2017 3:14 am
Cody wrote: ↑Wed Nov 08, 2017 9:46 am
Shit, I'm 38-39" waist at 6'0" tall. You want me to drop 2-3" off my waist, Dan John? You can fuck off, I've got thick abs and back muscles and shit. BF% is definitely under control because I have visible abs. Why would I drop that much mass? I wouldn't.
Dan John is probably right for most people though isn't he?. Id have thought his rule rule holds pretty well for folks deadlifting under about 500lbs.
So his rule should be "if you don't lift, then blah blah blah." In that case, who cares what his advice is?
Here's my rule of thumb - pick up all the weight and get jacked and tan.
If you're concerned with aesthetics, don't get fat. If you don't care about aesthetics, keep bf low enough that you're healthy. Which means getting blood work done at an annual doctors visit. If all that's good, then you can have whatever waist size you want.
-
mgil
- Shitpostmaster General
- Posts: 8494
- Joined: Wed Sep 13, 2017 5:46 pm
- Location: FlabLab©®
- Age: 49
#34
Post
by mgil » Thu Nov 09, 2017 5:52 am
Cody wrote: ↑Thu Nov 09, 2017 3:18 am
If you're concerned with aesthetics, don't get fat. If you don't care about aesthetics, keep bf low enough that you're healthy. Which means getting blood work done at an annual doctors visit. If all that's good, then you can have whatever waist size you want.
#holla