Guns and Shit

[mikeylikey]

Get the sexy one.

EMP4, have a gunsmith remove the rear sight plate and mount compatible optics plate.

Obvious choice is obvious. Sexy for the win.

Just make sure you don't forget to disengage the manual safety.

[Hanley]

Get the sexy one.

EMP4, have a gunsmith remove the rear sight plate and mount compatible optics plate.

Obvious choice is obvious. Sexy for the win.

Just buy a Glock

Let the boy have his safe queen.

[aurelius]

Just buy a Glock

Let the boy have his safe queen.

Ouch. Very hurtful.

[Hanley]

Just buy a Glock

Let the boy have his safe queen.

Ouch. Very hurtful.

You are my second self.

My immortal beloved.

[5hout]

On this subject: Does anyone know of a database of pistol measurements or something? My next 4 outdoorsy purchases are .300 blk parts (once ATF situation is more settled), new compound bow, new longbow and a 2nd 1911. Timeline is very loose, but I'd like something with a slim frame/milled down grip, single stack 45, 3-3.5ish inch barrel. Finding stats/comparison looking is driving me bonkers.

[DoctorWho]

lolz at this quote (from the murderer guy just trying to retrieve his stolen property)

"I've been in a mental prison the past four years of my life. I have nightmares. If I see guns on TV where people are getting killed, I change the channel," he added.

What are the odds that a shocking story with an outrageous outcome that reinforces stereotypes that help people punch down is a lot wrong?

[aurelius]

What are the odds that a shocking story with an outrageous outcome that reinforces stereotypes that help people punch down is a lot wrong?

It's not.

Gilbert used a AK-47 assault rifle to spray his alleged victim's car with bullets as she was driven away at 4:15 a.m. by her alleged pimp, Christopher Perkins.

Frago was hit in the neck.

Left paralyzed and brain damaged from the shooting, she was hooked up to a respirator for several months until her family pulled the plug in July 2010.

A Bexar County Texas court jury on Thursday took 11 hours to acquit Gilbert — saying his actions were justified because he was simply trying to retrieve stolen property.

[Philbert]

lolz at this quote (from the murderer guy just trying to retrieve his stolen property)

"I've been in a mental prison the past four years of my life. I have nightmares. If I see guns on TV where people are getting killed, I change the channel," he added.

What are the odds that a shocking story with an outrageous outcome that reinforces stereotypes that help people punch down is a lot wrong?

Odds do not invalidate an individual case. This is one where Texas got it wrong. I have a pretty long list of offences I think civilians should be entitled to shoot criminals on the spot for, but stealing $150 in a fake prostitute scam is not anywhere close to making the list.

[DoctorWho]

What are the odds that a shocking story with an outrageous outcome that reinforces stereotypes that help people punch down is a lot wrong?

It's not.

Gilbert used a AK-47 assault rifle to spray his alleged victim's car with bullets as she was driven away at 4:15 a.m. by her alleged pimp, Christopher Perkins.

Frago was hit in the neck.

Left paralyzed and brain damaged from the shooting, she was hooked up to a respirator for several months until her family pulled the plug in July 2010.

A Bexar County Texas court jury on Thursday took 11 hours to acquit Gilbert — saying his actions were justified because he was simply trying to retrieve stolen property.

Would you agree that stories that are any of the following deserve skepticism: (i) sensational and outrageous, (ii) support one side of a larger political debate, (iii) have neither a citation nor direct quotes from people with first hand information.

This story (at least the one I read) has all the above, and also has the jury "saying" something (without citation) even though juries don't usually say anything, just deliver a verdict.


Here's an account from a progressive lawyer familiar with the case who disagrees with the Texas defense of property law, but has the integrity to explain that the defense lawyers argued lack of intent as well as the Texas defense of property law. And the guy was charged only with murder, which requires intent to kill, so just shooting recklessly like an idiot isn't enough to convict. And the DA never charged the lesser included crimes, and the judge didn't instruct the jury on them, so no intent = no conviction. https://rewirenewsgroup.com/article/201 ... -have-sex/

The last paragraph doesn't mean that the popular version of the story is false. Lots of times things that I think are unlikely are true (wikipedia did beat encarta, the FBI did lie to get a FISA warrant, and amazon did beat barnesandnoble.com), but still.

[DoctorWho]

lolz at this quote (from the murderer guy just trying to retrieve his stolen property)

"I've been in a mental prison the past four years of my life. I have nightmares. If I see guns on TV where people are getting killed, I change the channel," he added.

What are the odds that a shocking story with an outrageous outcome that reinforces stereotypes that help people punch down is a lot wrong?

Odds do not invalidate an individual case. This is one where Texas got it wrong. I have a pretty long list of offences I think civilians should be entitled to shoot criminals on the spot for, but stealing $150 in a fake prostitute scam is not anywhere close to making the list.

It's hard to argue that justice was done in this case. I don't love the Texas defense of property law, but on its face it seems pretty narrow for the facts above. For example, deadly force is justified if our idiot "reasonably believes that: (A) the land or property cannot be protected or recovered by any other means;" Note the word reasonably. (Anyone can feel free to argue that Texas juries are idiots (some probably are) and would think the idiot in this case actually had the belief, and it's REASONABLE, but you don't need me to join in.)

[aurelius]

Bunch of stuff

Guy gunned downed a woman that posed no threat to him over $150 in the street. The Texas justice system did not hold him accountable. Pretty unbelievable.

It seems like you are making a generalist argument related to other narratives and trying to shoehorn it to this particular case. I don't think it is a good fit.

[DoctorWho]

Bunch of stuff

Guy gunned downed a woman that posed no threat to him over $150 in the street. The Texas justice system did not hold him accountable. Pretty unbelievable. I don't really know whom or what you are trying to defend here, other than your really bad take, but it is odd.

Then you're right I guess. It's legal to murder escorts trying to escape with a john's money because of Texas property laws, cause the newspaper said the jury said it. (I mean, anybody whose ever seen a crime TV show knows that juries don't provide explanations for why they decided, but ...)
By the way, did you hear that thousands of ballots for Trump (who clearly won) were unrecorded and Bill Gates is the head of an international pedophilia ring?
[done with the sarcasm]

[aurelius]

Then you're right I guess. It's legal to murder escorts trying to escape with a john's money because of Texas property laws, cause the newspaper said the jury said it. (I mean, anybody whose ever seen a crime TV show knows that juries don't provide explanations for why they decided, but ...)

My statement was The Texas justice system did not hold him accountable. Which you seemingly agree with from your comments regarding other charges that could have been brought besides murder.

I'm not looking it up because this discussion is farcical: I believe the defense attorney argued it was a valid shooting under the Texas statute for recovering stolen property.

Jury members are commonly interviewed after trials.

By the way, did you hear that thousands of ballots for Trump (who clearly won) were unrecorded and Bill Gates is the head of an international pedophilia ring?

Bad faith argument is bad.

[5hout]

10,000 foot overview: Was justice done? Heck no, the prosecutor snatched defeat from the jaws of victory, did a bad job at trial and a bad job with pre-trial decisions (i.e failure to bring lesser charges). From a high level, this is a person that should have been punished for breaking a pile of laws walking away scot free b/c the offense did a shit job, not the defense making plays.

100 foot overview: The defense can only fight the case the prosecution brings. If the prosecutor fails to bring non-intent charges/otherwise charge or argue around broad defense property laws (i.e. I'm sure precedent (at least persuasive, if not controlling) could have been found that that can't defend property involved in an illegal act with lethal force), it's not the defense's job to argue as if the prosecutor did.

This is pro-justice, we assume innocent until proven guilty and accept 'guilty' people going free when the prosecution does a crap job b/c that's the price of not having prosecutors do shit jobs and then getting 2nd/3rd bites at the apple.


(although I would argue our broader system is wildly pro-prosecutor).

[DoctorWho]

Then you're right I guess. It's legal to murder escorts trying to escape with a john's money because of Texas property laws, cause the newspaper said the jury said it. (I mean, anybody whose ever seen a crime TV show knows that juries don't provide explanations for why they decided, but ...)

My statement was The Texas justice system did not hold him accountable. Which you seemingly agree with from your comments regarding other charges that could have been brought besides murder.

I'm not looking it up because this discussion is farcical: I believe the defense attorney argued it was a valid shooting under the Texas statute for recovering stolen property.

Jury members are commonly interviewed after trials.

By the way, did you hear that thousands of ballots for Trump (who clearly won) were unrecorded and Bill Gates is the head of an international pedophilia ring?

Bad faith argument is bad.

From your quote: "saying his actions were justified because he was simply trying to retrieve stolen property."

This, which is what my post was directed to, is almost certainly false.

If you want to defend it, fine by me.

[aurelius]

From your quote: "saying his actions were justified because he was simply trying to retrieve stolen property."

I am not in a position to defend or not defend the particular wording of an article I did not write.

This, which is what my post was directed to, is almost certainly false.

The Texas statute authorizes lethal force to retrieve stolen property. I have read multiple articles on this case and the judge allowed and defense attorney successfully argued that his actions were valid under the Texas statute for recovering stolen property.

The undisputed facts: a man hired a woman sex. The woman grabbed the $150 payment without rendering illegal services and ran. The man followed her with a rifle and gunned her down in the street as she was driving away. The man was acquitted under Texas law. If you want to defend that outcome, fine by me.

Back to guns. Purchased a .22 Ruger Wrangler for plinking and teaching my GF how to shoot.

[mbasic]

MP5 full auto is pretty smooth ...
....(even) the boy could keep on target fairly easily, without ever having shot one before.

[DoctorWho]

From your quote: "saying his actions were justified because he was simply trying to retrieve stolen property."

I am not in a position to defend or not defend the particular wording of an article I did not write.

This, which is what my post was directed to, is almost certainly false.

The Texas statute authorizes lethal force to retrieve stolen property. I have read multiple articles on this case and the judge allowed and defense attorney successfully argued that his actions were valid under the Texas statute for recovering stolen property.

The undisputed facts: a man hired a woman sex. The woman grabbed the $150 payment without rendering illegal services and ran. The man followed her with a rifle and gunned her down in the street as she was driving away. The man was acquitted under Texas law. If you want to defend that outcome, fine by me.

Back to guns. Purchased a .22 Ruger Wrangler for plinking and teaching my GF how to shoot.

My only bone to pick is that several articles, all of which seemed to flow from the San Antonio reporting from a single person and had red flags, isn't worth quoting.

My version of your gun purchase: just binged watch PIAA AA and AAA (*) wrestling states and leaving for the NCAA tournament on Wednesday. For be, each is better than the superbowl or world series game 7.

*Still the gold standard of HS wrestling tournaments.

[aurelius]

https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/20/us/sout ... index.html

People are carrying on pontoon boats. Did I miss a memo? I would not describe a leisure lake as a high crime area.

[BostonRugger]

People are carrying on pontoon boats. Did I miss a memo? I would not describe a leisure lake as a high crime area.

Greenlight carrying for snowmobiles and ATV's in New Hampshire in case anyone feels infringed upon while recreating.

https://www.nraila.org/articles/2022012 ... ee-hearing