Exodus Strength

CheekiBreekiFitness wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 9:11 pm

Goat wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 2:39 am Programming is bullshit and periodization is especially bullshit.

That's obviously a hyperbolic and clickbaity thing to say, but I don't think it's totally wrong either.

People have gotten insanely strong and insanely jacked with a jillion different methods. People have also gotten insanely strong and insanely jacked while barely having a program and using zero periodization. George Frenn and the guys at the original westside didn't periodize, and yet that crew got stupid fucking strong, Frenn squatting 850+ in the 60s for example.

"Yeah but those people were genetically gifted" yeah, and the same is true of everyone who gets crazy strong, no matter what methods they used.

If you're not making progress, I think there's about a 98% chance that the culprit is one of the following:

A) You're not training hard enough
B) Your recovery is screwed up (nutrition, not enough sleep, external life stressors)
C) (less likely) you are actually legit overtraining

... and not because you aren't using the correct model of periodization or whatever.

If I wanted to continue on the hyperbole train, I'd say "Science based" programming has ruined lifting for most people. It gives people the impression that the human body is an excel spreadsheet where you can plug in specific inputs and get specific outputs, and they get too into their heads with training, when really they'd be better served by just going to the gym, lifting hard and heavy and having fun, and when the weight feels too light, add more.

Oh hi Jamie, I didnt know you were on Exodus. Welcome to the forum dude, I really enjoy your articles about the history of lifting.

Hanley wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2024 6:40 pm I believe and absolutely cannot prove: peak force is more important than load when it comes to the transfer of submaximal loads to top-end strength. I also think peak force is a really, really good proxy for total recruitment during the propulsive phase of a lift (and thus a proxy of a rep's "efficacy").

The equipment required to get a valid measure is fucking expensive, though.

I also need to figure out how to program using it as a prescriptive metric.

KarlM wrote: ↑Wed Feb 07, 2024 3:51 pm

Hanley wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2024 6:40 pm I believe and absolutely cannot prove: peak force is more important than load when it comes to the transfer of submaximal loads to top-end strength. I also think peak force is a really, really good proxy for total recruitment during the propulsive phase of a lift (and thus a proxy of a rep's "efficacy").

The equipment required to get a valid measure is fucking expensive, though.

I also need to figure out how to program using it as a prescriptive metric.

I suspect this is why HLM setups work for some people and don't for others. If you don't attempt to move the weight fast and with intent on the M and L days, you may not get much out of those sessions.

KarlM wrote: ↑Wed Feb 07, 2024 3:51 pm

Hanley wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2024 6:40 pm I believe and absolutely cannot prove: peak force is more important than load when it comes to the transfer of submaximal loads to top-end strength. I also think peak force is a really, really good proxy for total recruitment during the propulsive phase of a lift (and thus a proxy of a rep's "efficacy").

The equipment required to get a valid measure is fucking expensive, though.

I also need to figure out how to program using it as a prescriptive metric.

I suspect this is why HLM setups work for some people and don't for others. If you don't attempt to move the weight fast and with intent on the M and L days, you may not get much out of those sessions.

Hanley wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2024 6:40 pm I believe and absolutely cannot prove: peak force is more important than load when it comes to the transfer of submaximal loads to top-end strength. I also think peak force is a really, really good proxy for total recruitment during the propulsive phase of a lift (and thus a proxy of a rep's "efficacy").

cole wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2024 5:51 amI do think however that in order to have the ability to actually display the strength you gain from moving loads at high velocity with high motor unit recruitment, one needs to actually move heavy loads once in a while as well. There is more to lifting heavy than explosiveness and big muscles. Agree?

cole wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2024 5:51 amI do think however that in order to have the ability to actually display the strength you gain from moving loads at high velocity with high motor unit recruitment, one needs to actually move heavy loads once in a while as well. There is more to lifting heavy than explosiveness and big muscles. Agree?

OverheadDeadlifts wrote: ↑Sun Feb 18, 2024 1:35 am

cole wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2024 5:51 amI do think however that in order to have the ability to actually display the strength you gain from moving loads at high velocity with high motor unit recruitment, one needs to actually move heavy loads once in a while as well. There is more to lifting heavy than explosiveness and big muscles. Agree?

I’ve noticed if I spend too much time with exclusively 65-80%ish loads I start to make form tweaks that feel really strong with lighter weights but when I get back to 90%+ those same tweaks fuck everything up. Changing joint angles, rushing the eccentric, being a little less tight to save energy, not applying max effort through the entire rep etc. There’s just a much narrower range of positions you can get away with as you approach 100%.