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mbasic wrote: How about the bar moving forward out away from you?

mbasic wrote:What I've noticed, and many others have noticed.
Is when you set up with the bar of over midfoot (i.e. "too close" per the dogma),
the bar path tends to sweep OUT away from the lifter in the beginning of the first pull . . . just a little.
This is not always the case, but happens quite a bit.
....but it's common enough to be documented in the literature/dogma.

Either:
A- the shins are pushing it out (the bar away from from you)
B- something else is sending it out. (shoulders too far over the bar).
Either way, [Rippetoe Speak] you are imparting forward momentum onto the bar, which will have to be overcome at some point.

So, in this case, I would posit, why not just put the bar a little more forward than midfoot to correct this?
You could still perhaps even pull it straight up if you believe all that "most efficient path" theory.

All of the above is "An argument for the bar not to start at mid-foot".
Its not THEE argument so many of us are familiar with, but an argument.

Kregna wrote: 1. Hip position in clean/snatch
2. Jumping serving as the triple extension
3. The usefulness of low bar squats for WL

mbasic wrote: ↑Tue Apr 03, 2018 2:45 pm I guess this goes here:

MattNeilsen wrote: ↑Tue Apr 03, 2018 3:33 pm

mbasic wrote: ↑Tue Apr 03, 2018 2:45 pm I guess this goes here:

You know, the more I learn about training the more hesitant I become to comment on weird stuff like this...but damn, it sure sounds like bullshit. I guess I can see a mechanism whereby someone simply learns to use a better motor program through "activation" training, but I'm color me skeptical.

slowmotion wrote: ↑Thu Apr 05, 2018 8:59 am lol, when you watch Koha lift, her technique isn't exactly lacking. She is way better than anyone else in her weight class. And still only a junior.

Marenghi wrote: ↑Tue Apr 17, 2018 5:31 pm Low bar vs high bar:

High bar has a greater ROM for knee extension with a more acute knee angle. Strength is angle specific. If you need that angle in your comp lifts, it helps training it in your acc. lifts.

Low back stress is another point but could be remedied by pulling a little less.

Marenghi wrote: ↑Wed Apr 18, 2018 12:59 am First of all, I agree with Greg Nuckol´s analysis of the lb and hb squat being pretty similar: https://www.strongerbyscience.com/high- ... tting-2-0/

So I can definitely see a WL, especially a hobby lifter, doing lb instead of hb with little difference. Of course, by the same argument its clear lb cant be way superior to hb (neither for "general" (whatever that may be) strength, Id like to note).

Then there is some wiggle room how to perform a hb and lb squat: you can use more or less forward knee travel and subsequently less or more back inclination.

For most lifters, knee angle and extension ROM still is noticeably different, and yes, its mostly the C&J recovery position for which that helps. The snatch is submaximal for knee extension strength, but its still preferable imo to have adapted muscles and passive structures even for a submaximal strength requirement.

Then for almost any hobby lifter this is irrelevant (and for 90% of pro lifters, too), but ofc Chinese lifters like Lü and Tian profit from their strength in acute angles in the squat jerk.

What I forgot to mention is that longer ROM generally --> more hypertrophy. And as WLs are not known to get their quads massive by doing leg extensions and leg presses (the Chinese may be different), the hb squat is their primary tool for that, too.