Bulk, Cut, or Recomp?

[michael]

Here’s a dude around 290lbs at 6’. BMI is 39.3

Just an example...



(Hint: it’s @Cody and @Manveer’s bastard love child)

He is obese.

[Wilhelm]

Facepalm

[mgil]

@michael where’s your personal reference point?

[michael]

@michael where’s your personal reference point?

Some people are three standard deviations from the mean. They exist. They are .3% you have to ignore them when you make general guidelines.

[Cody]

@michael where’s your personal reference point?

Some people are three standard deviations from the mean. They exist. They are .3% you have to ignore them when you make general guidelines.

Again, you've apparently not actually read any research into the applicability of BMI to assess individuals. It's not a valid as a granular tool.

You also haven't posted your own picture and qualifications to make such an assessment. Would you care to do so? From where I stand you're making baseless claims, and I'll not stand for trolling in the main forums.

[mgil]

@michael where’s your personal reference point?

Some people are three standard deviations from the mean. They exist. They are .3% you have to ignore them when you make general guidelines.

What are the units of standard deviation in this case. What is sigma? Is the distribution approximately normal?

[Manveer]

Michael, are you familiar with Loctite’s product range?

[michael]

Michael, are you familiar with Loctite’s product range?

I wasn't really trolling, but yeah not very productive.

I surrender.

[PatrickDB]

@Cody I thought natural was implied. Drugs change things.

Actually, I achieved my "fluffy" physique with female levels of test. In my 30s. Only lifting 2x a week.

[instagram]

Damn, this is a good reminder that I need to work harder.

[broseph]

@michael where’s your personal reference point?

Some people are three standard deviations from the mean. They exist. They are .3% you have to ignore them when you make general guidelines.

Us lifty folks are the ones that defy what little applicability there is with BMI. A “should I cut or bulk?” table would be something tailored to lifty folks.

[mgil]

@michael where’s your personal reference point?

Some people are three standard deviations from the mean. They exist. They are .3% you have to ignore them when you make general guidelines.

Us lifty folks are the ones that defy what little applicability there is with BMI. A “should I cut or bulk?” table would be something tailored to lifty folks.

Agreed.

In defense of michael, this site is populated by people that are not regressing to the mean. Several of us have lengthy athletic or training exposure which skews results.

Wikipedia (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Body_mass_index) offers a nice summary along with limitations. Under the limitations is a scatter plot that clearly shows that the index has issues as well as the data looking to have possibly larger than expected variance.

[iamsmu]

No shirtless pic, but there some video in my latest log. . . .

I'm probably about 17% bf. I dunno. It's hard to say. The pictures on the site linked to below say probably 14 or 15, but I'm skeptical.

http://truth-dealer.com/physiology/fund ... ht-03.html

The holidays added 7 pounds and it surely wasn't pure muscle. Even before the holiday fat, I was still well into the overweight range. . . .

My BMI this morning was 27.4. My walking around weight today (~218# @ 6'2") put me at 28. Every time I see my PCP the office generates some automated BMI warning. My doctor ignores it.

If you want a metric that might be more useful, do your waist hip ratio. They've even started using this (in addition to BMI) at the health fares they run at work. (I don't go because my blood pressure is high and they'll tell me to make life style changes. . . .)

I'd really like to get to an obese level BMI with a BF of less than 12%. But that's pretty hard to do when you have insect legs.

[michael]

Wikipedia (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Body_mass_index) offers a nice summary along with limitations. Under the limitations is a scatter plot that clearly shows that the index has issues as well as the data looking to have possibly larger than expected variance.

I was actually using BMI as a proxy for FFMI.

Probably 95% of people won't get a FFMI over 25. But yeah 5% is still a lot of people. People like @Cody.

It's a bad idea.

[michael]

(I don't go because my blood pressure is high and they'll tell me to make life style changes. . . .)

Are you on medication for it? Don't ignore high blood pressure. You can fix it with medicine. You don't need to make life style changes.

[Manveer]

FFMI is nothing like a proxy for BMI. Also >25 is possible naturally for a lot of people:

[iamsmu]

Wikipedia (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Body_mass_index) offers a nice summary along with limitations. Under the limitations is a scatter plot that clearly shows that the index has issues as well as the data looking to have possibly larger than expected variance.

I was actually using BMI as a proxy for FFMI.

Probably 95% of people won't get a FFMI over 25. But yeah 5% is still a lot of people. People like @Cody.

It's a bad idea.

I just found a nice ffmi calculator here:

http://www.naturalphysiques.com/28/fat- ... index-ffmi

To crack 25 ffmi, I'd have to get to 220 @ 12%bf. That would be incredibly difficult. I'll see if I can get over 24 this year (I doubt it. That would be 210 for 12%). Assuming bf of 15%, I'm 23.5 now. If I'm 17%, I'm 23.

Some of the elite crossfitters must be around 28 ffmi.

[michael]

FFMI is nothing like a proxy for BMI. Also >25 is possible naturally for a lot of people:

I agree. Lots of people, but only a small percentage of people (its still a lot of people).

To go outside the BMI range I presented @ 15% body fat you need to have a FFMI > 25.

[michael]

Some of the elite crossfitters must be around 28 ffmi.

Probably does happen, but you'd need to be a statistical outlier.

[iamsmu]

What's Laocoon's bf and ffmi?



I'd say he's about 8-10% and his ffmi is 25.

Bigger pics:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laoco%C3%B6n_and_His_Sons

[iamsmu]

Some of the elite crossfitters must be around 28 ffmi.

Probably does happen, but you'd need to be a statistical outlier.

Indeed. That's why people find it suspicious. But they come form a huge pool . . .