Power Rack Thread

[omaniphil]

For everyone still defending Titan, here's ANOTHER major failed piece of equipment...

Yep. That's bad.

[Allentown]

That's the crossbar for the yoke where it attaches to the uprights, right?

[murphyreedus]

I don't think the welds on this thing are going to break, lol. This is what happens when I watch Craigslist for a "small" second rack.

[Cody]

I don't think the welds on this thing are going to break, lol. This is what happens when I watch Craigslist for a "small" second rack.

Craigslist is the GOAT. Great find!

[Skid]

For everyone still defending Titan, here's ANOTHER major failed piece of equipment...

Yep. That's bad.

I don't think the weld can be blamed. The material is too thin and was overloaded. Definitely under-engineered for the stresses involved.

[thejosef]

I don't think the welds on this thing are going to break, lol. This is what happens when I watch Craigslist for a "small" second rack.

Oh hell yes! Looks like a Tank!

[Cody]

I don't think the weld can be blamed. The material is too thin and was overloaded. Definitely under-engineered for the stresses involved.

It's a copy of the Rogue design...

[Skid]

I don't think the weld can be blamed. The material is too thin and was overloaded. Definitely under-engineered for the stresses involved.

It's a copy of the Rogue design...

Is the Rogue material that thin too? If so, I would be worried about that...

[Allentown]

I don't think the weld can be blamed. The material is too thin and was overloaded. Definitely under-engineered for the stresses involved.

It's a copy of the Rogue design...

It looks like a bad weld, that almost totally missed one of the plates, and only went about 1/10 the way down the front and side plates? Then another bit of weld at the bottom? It's hard to tell. Why wouldn't they have used a solid piece of c-channel? And it looks like they didn't even weld all the way around the tube for the yoke crossbar part? Judging solely from my Rogue Matador (which is the second one, I sent back the first one) and deadlift jack, they would have/do use 7ga c-channel for stuff like that.

Is the Rogue material that thin too? If so, I would be worried about that...

11ga on the Titan T-3 Yoke, looks like welded plates(?) vs 7ga bent c-channel for the Rogue Matador. Can't find out clearly what the Rogue crossmember is made with.

[Cody]

I don't think the weld can be blamed. The material is too thin and was overloaded. Definitely under-engineered for the stresses involved.

It's a copy of the Rogue design...

Is the Rogue material that thin too? If so, I would be worried about that...

I don't think the weld can be blamed. The material is too thin and was overloaded. Definitely under-engineered for the stresses involved.

It's a copy of the Rogue design...

It looks like a bad weld, that almost totally missed one of the plates, and only went about 1/10 the way down the front and side plates? Then another bit of weld at the bottom? It's hard to tell. Why wouldn't they have used a solid piece of c-channel? And it looks like they didn't even weld all the way around the tube for the yoke crossbar part? Judging solely from my Rogue Matador (which is the second one, I sent back the first one) and deadlift jack, they would have/do use 7ga c-channel for stuff like that.

Is the Rogue material that thin too? If so, I would be worried about that...

11ga on the Titan T-3 Yoke, looks like welded plates(?) vs 7ga bent c-channel for the Rogue Matador. Can't find out clearly what the Rogue crossmember is made with.

It's a copy... Same material thickness and designs. You can look up the Rogue yoke on their site and see the weld locations pretty clearly.

[Allentown]

It's a copy... Same material thickness and designs. You can look up the Rogue yoke on their site and see the weld locations pretty clearly.

I couldn't find any close-up pictures of the ends of the yoke crossbar after about 30 seconds, so I just looked at the Matador, which attaches in the same way, and I assumed wouldn't be heavier-duty than something intended to use way, WAY more weight. I guess I was wrong?
Why wouldn't they spend an extra 10 seconds and weld it all the way down? (I worked entirely with sheet metal, and therefore have no idea how long it would take to weld 4-5" of metal that thick)

[Cody]

It's a copy... Same material thickness and designs. You can look up the Rogue yoke on their site and see the weld locations pretty clearly.

I couldn't find any close-up pictures of the ends of the yoke crossbar after about 30 seconds, so I just looked at the Matador, which attaches in the same way, and I assumed wouldn't be heavier-duty than something intended to use way, WAY more weight. I guess I was wrong?
Why wouldn't they spend an extra 10 seconds and weld it all the way down? (I worked entirely with sheet metal, and therefore have no idea how long it would take to weld 4-5" of metal that thick)

I don't have access to one in person right now, but this is cropped directly from the Rogue website. This sort of weld is perfectly adequate for the task when the welds have proper penetration. The excellent Canadian manufacturer Mech6 discussed this topic once upon a time when everyone was upset rogue wasn't welding on all 4 sides of tubing.

[Allentown]

I mean even for aesthetic purposes. Like I said, I don't know the time requirement for welding on metal that thick.
Or, since they already have 7ga c-channel for the Matador that lacks only the second pin, just use more of that?

[Cody]

I mean even for aesthetic purposes. Like I said, I don't know the time requirement for welding on metal that thick.
Or, since they already have 7ga c-channel for the Matador that lacks only the second pin, just use more of that?

This explains why one might select a stitch weld over a seam weld: http://www.wileymetal.com/tiki-talk/sti ... on-product

They don't use c-channel for this application, it's a full box. I'm sure there's a reason, like keeping the uprights from wobbling around or something. Might be interesting to see if Bill from Rogue could answer that!

[Allentown]

They don't use c-channel for this application, it's a full box. I'm sure there's a reason, like keeping the uprights from wobbling around or something. Might be interesting to see if Bill from Rogue could answer that!

Oh, I didn't know that, it looked like it was only on three sides. I would guess the wobble factor comes in to play. Though, you put pins ~4" apart at the top and bottom of c-channel into uprights, I would think there would be very little play? I generally assume Rogue at least has a reason why they do what they do.

This explains why one might select a stitch weld over a seam weld: http://www.wileymetal.com/tiki-talk/sti ... on-product

When heat and distortion was a risk I would always just do stitch welds down then go back and fill in between the stitches. But again, I needed way less heat to weld 1/16" sheet, and it needed to end up continuous anyways since it was auto-body stuff.

[Skid]

Looks to me like it cracked in the heat affected zone beside the weld. Maybe it was a poor weld, or not long enough, but to me the material looks pretty thin. What's it used for?

[iamsmu]

It's a copy... Same material thickness and designs. You can look up the Rogue yoke on their site and see the weld locations pretty clearly.

I couldn't find any close-up pictures of the ends of the yoke crossbar after about 30 seconds, so I just looked at the Matador, which attaches in the same way, and I assumed wouldn't be heavier-duty than something intended to use way, WAY more weight. I guess I was wrong?
Why wouldn't they spend an extra 10 seconds and weld it all the way down? (I worked entirely with sheet metal, and therefore have no idea how long it would take to weld 4-5" of metal that thick)

The Titan dip bar is a copy of the matador. The Titan is c channel. Looks like the yoke is different.

[Allentown]

Looks to me like it cracked in the heat affected zone beside the weld. Maybe it was a poor weld, or not long enough, but to me the material looks pretty thin. What's it used for?

What's a yoke used for? Or what's that part of the yoke for?

[MikeMullany]

Wow! So, having read the old garage gym thread at SS, I purchased a Titan T3 rack, as it was the recommended budget version, but I wasn’t aware of all the equipment failures since. If I wanted to purchase better, studier, safer J Cups for it, what would be the recommendation? Thank you for all the great info.

[Allentown]

If I wanted to purchase better, studier, safer J Cups for it, what would be the recommendation?

Probably the Sandwich j-hooks?